75g stock

[Pittsford_Pets]

Hey everyone! This is all speculation and I'll base my stocking on what you guys have to say. I'm new to the hobby, 20g reef, so I'm not entirely sure the compatibility or if this tank is overpopulated. Also, the yellow tang will be switched out if needed due to size. Please no rude comments, I'm just asking a question that I've been wondering about. I do t have the tank yet, so don't worry.


•Either my two ocellaris clowns or a pair of Picasso gladiators
•yellow tang
•six line wrasse
•3-5 banggai cardinals
•mandarin dragonet
•shrimp goby pair
•some cool shrimp (cleaner, peppermint)
•emerald crab
•25 Nassarius Snails
•10 astrea Snails
•1 turbo snail
•13 hermits
•sand sifting star
•serpent star
•lawnmower blenny

 

[Dl0reef]

Hey everyone! This is all speculation and I'll base my stocking on what you guys have to say. I'm new to the hobby, 20g reef, so I'm not entirely sure the compatibility or if this tank is overpopulated. Also, the yellow tang will be switched out if needed due to size. Please no rude comments, I'm just asking a question that I've been wondering about. I do t have the tank yet, so don't worry.


•Either my two ocellaris clowns or a pair of Picasso gladiators
•yellow tang
•six line wrasse
•3-5 banggai cardinals
•mandarin dragonet
•shrimp goby pair
•some cool shrimp (cleaner, peppermint)
•emerald crab
•25 Nassarius Snails
•10 astrea Snails
•1 turbo snail
•13 hermits
•sand sifting star
•serpent star
•lawnmower blenny

The yellow tang should be fine as long as it is a 70+ long and add the mandarin dragonet before the tang but make sure you wait about 6-12 months with a refugium to help get a steady supply of food for the dragonet. I am planning on getting a 50 gallon and I'm going to have a lot more fish and a lot of people said it should be comfortable for the fish.

 

[shrimped]

Fairy Wrasse would sound nice.

 

[Maritimer]

I do see a few things that raise flags...

The banggais won't tolerate other banggais of the same sex, by and large. A single is fine, as would be a bonded pair - more than that invites trouble. Pajama cardinals would live together - but may or may not shoal.

The mandarin should wait a while, til pods are well-established.

Six-lines can be aggressive to any other wrasse added after them - though I don't see any other wrasse on your list, so you may be OK there.

Yellow tangs . . . may or may not be available when you get the tank set up.

Add the cleanup crew critters gradually, as needed. If you drop a ton of snails in at the first sign of algae, they'll starve before the algae's established ... and then the algae will happily establish, in a snail-free environment.

~Bruce

 

[Pittsford_Pets]

The yellow tang should be fine as long as it is a 70+ long and add the mandarin dragonet before the tang but make sure you wait about 6-12 months with a refugium to help get a steady supply of food for the dragonet. I am planning on getting a 50 gallon and I'm going to have a lot more fish and a lot of people said it should be comfortable for the fish.

Thanks for the response! I'll definitely get the tang then! Dragonet are so cool, I have a huge amount of pods in my 20g that I can't wait to transfer over. I just have the two clowns and a black clown goby so they're thriving in my rocks. Will adding pods to the tank once a week be enough for the mandarin if it ends up eating all of the pods that are there naturally? I don't have space for a refugium so that's out of the picture. I can also change up some rocks to get some good breeding areas.

 

[Dl0reef]

Hey everyone! This is all speculation and I'll base my stocking on what you guys have to say. I'm new to the hobby, 20g reef, so I'm not entirely sure the compatibility or if this tank is overpopulated. Also, the yellow tang will be switched out if needed due to size. Please no rude comments, I'm just asking a question that I've been wondering about. I do t have the tank yet, so don't worry.


•Either my two ocellaris clowns or a pair of Picasso gladiators
•yellow tang
•six line wrasse
•3-5 banggai cardinals
•mandarin dragonet
•shrimp goby pair
•some cool shrimp (cleaner, peppermint)
•emerald crab
•25 Nassarius Snails
•10 astrea Snails
•1 turbo snail
•13 hermits
•sand sifting star
•serpent star
•lawnmower blenny

A beautiful fish you should consider is a dwarf flame angel. I personally want one but I don't have the room for anything larger than a 50 but I think you should get it. If you ever worry about about compatibility issues here's a link to a terrific Pinterest post http://pin.it/z3RxswG

 

[Pittsford_Pets]

I do see a few things that raise flags...

The banggais won't tolerate other banggais of the same sex, by and large. A single is fine, as would be a bonded pair - more than that invites trouble. Pajama cardinals would live together - but may or may not shoal.

The mandarin should wait a while, til pods are well-established.

Six-lines can be aggressive to any other wrasse added after them - though I don't see any other wrasse on your list, so you may be OK there.

Yellow tangs . . . may or may not be available when you get the tank set up.

Add the cleanup crew critters gradually, as needed. If you drop a ton of snails in at the first sign of algae, they'll starve before the algae's established ... and then the algae will happily establish, in a snail-free environment.

~Bruce

Is there a quick and easy way of sexing banggai cardinals? I like them so much, they're definitely something I'd like to incorporate in my tank. Are females aggressive towards other females? Could I do 1 male for 3 - 4 females?

Why would a yellow tang not be available? Are they seasonal?

I'm definitely going to take my time with this tank, so cleanup crew will be done properly, same with the dragonet.

If I were to add a Fairy Wrasse and a Six Line would they fight? It's a pretty big tank. I plan to have s lot of rockwork. Going to spend a lot of time on this tank.

 

[Pittsford_Pets]

A beautiful fish you should consider is a dwarf flame angel. I personally want one but I don't have the room for anything larger than a 50 but I think you should get it. If you ever worry about about compatibility issues here's a link to a terrific Pinterest post http://pin.it/z3RxswG

Thanks! I've seen them at my LFS and they look fantastic. I'll definitely consider it, they're so cool. They'd make a grey show/main fish in the tank too.

 

[Maritimer]

Is there a quick and easy way of sexing banggai cardinals? I like them so much, they're definitely something I'd like to incorporate in my tank. Are females aggressive towards other females? Could I do 1 male for 3 - 4 females?

They can be sexed, by a careful examination of the vent area in well-fed adults - but in a LFS, they're not likely to be either well-fed or adults.

Why would a yellow tang not be available? Are they seasonal?

The Supreme Court of Hawaii has (temporarily, at least - we'll have to see how this plays out) shut down all commercial collection of aquarium fish in Hawai'ian waters - which is where yellow tangs come from, by and large.

If I were to add a Fairy Wrasse and a Six Line would they fight? It's a pretty big tank. I plan to have s lot of rockwork. Going to spend a lot of time on this tank.

Probably - but to increase your chances, add all wrasses that _aren't_ six-lines first. (And then, consider not adding the six-line.)

~Bruce - whose only remaining wrasse . . . is a six-line. (And it isn't the six-line's fault!)

 

[eatbreakfast]

Sixlines will be problematic with a mandarin. Sixlines hunt pods and are competitors with mandarins. Also, sixlines can behave quite aggressively toward mandarins.

The easiest way to find a pr of bangaiis is in person. In a tank with multiple bangaiis, two will be marginally closer to each other keeping the others farther away. Females are intolerant of females, males are intolerant of males.

 

[Pittsford_Pets]

They can be sexed, by a careful examination of the vent area in well-fed adults - but in a LFS, they're not likely to be either well-fed or adults.



The Supreme Court of Hawaii has (temporarily, at least - we'll have to see how this plays out) shut down all commercial collection of aquarium fish in Hawai'ian waters - which is where yellow tangs come from, by and large.



Probably - but to increase your chances, add all wrasses that _aren't_ six-lines first. (And then, consider not adding the six-line.)

~Bruce - whose only remaining wrasse . . . is a six-line. (And it isn't the six-line's fault!)

I'll probably just get a pair of banggais then. So can yellow tangs be bred in captivity? I'll try out the wrasses and if it doesn't work I'll just take one back. Thanks!

 

[Pittsford_Pets]

Sixlines will be problematic with a mandarin. Sixlines hunt pods and are competitors with mandarins. Also, sixlines can behave quite aggressively toward mandarins.

The easiest way to find a pr of bangaiis is in person. In a tank with multiple bangaiis, two will be marginally closer to each other keeping the others farther away. Females are intolerant of females, males are intolerant of males.

Darn, that stinks. I'll probably go for the mandarin then!

 

[shrimped]

Darn, that stinks. I'll probably go for the mandarin then!

Get a some Fairy wrasse. They look really nice in a 75g and most are not aggressive. I also wouldn't gamble on the dwarf angel.

 

[Dl0reef]

Get a some Fairy wrasse. They look really nice in a 75g and most are not aggressive. I also wouldn't gamble on the dwarf angel.

I think the dwarf angel should be fine I went through a couple of compatibility charts and it seems like it should do good

 

[Maritimer]

So can yellow tangs be bred in captivity?

They have been, on a somewhat limited basis. From what I understand, they're still working on some of the kinks, and nowhere close to meeting the demand. This isn't just yellow tangs, though - it's everything out of Hawai'i.

Achilles, kole, chevron tangs.
Masked, bandit, Potter's angels.
Crosshatch and huma-huma-nuku-nuku-apu-a'a triggers.

And a whole lot more.

~Bruce

 

[Pittsford_Pets]

They have been, on a somewhat limited basis. From what I understand, they're still working on some of the kinks, and nowhere close to meeting the demand. This isn't just yellow tangs, though - it's everything out of Hawai'i.

Achilles, kole, chevron tangs.
Masked, bandit, Potter's angels.
Crosshatch and huma-huma-nuku-nuku-apu-a'a triggers.

And a whole lot more.

~Bruce

It's great that there won't be reef captured fish, but it still stinks for the hobby. Maybe we can get some aquacultured tangs eventually!

 

[shrimped]

I think the dwarf angel should be fine I went through a couple of compatibility charts and it seems like it should do good

It's the coral problem. They nip at them at least once during their life time and start to take a liking in them.

 

[Dl0reef]

It's the coral problem. They nip at them at least once during their life time and start to take a liking in them.

Ohh. My lfs has one and the tank been fine for about 2 years and it hasn't nipped one once

 

[eatbreakfast]

Ohh. My lfs has one and the tank been fine for about 2 years and it hasn't nipped one once

Dwarf angels can be very hit and miss when it comes to nipping corals. Some never nip, some always nip, some don't nip at first but later begin nipping. Buyer beware.