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Hi everyone

I'm new to the forum and just joined to gather some ideas really.

I've kept tropical fish on and off over the years but have always envied a saltwater tank but am relatively clueless on what I will need.

I've been doing research into different tanks (mainly looking at Aqua One and Water box tanks). I like the look of more cube looking tanks. I've always looked at YT and other guides but they all suggest different bits of equipment.

I would like to keep a few corals and a pair of clownfish.

So...
Do I necessarily need a sump? I've seen different opinions on this.

What filteration systems do you suggest? And heaters?

What is the process for cycling water from the start?

They may be super simple questions but there is so much info on the net..... Also I'm not sure if I should buy everything as a kit or do my own build ? What tends to be cheaper?

Thanks in advance
James
 
#WelcometoR2R! There are many different approaches to setting up your system. This R2R article may be helpful as a starting point:


Remember that a sump is a box connected to your main tank where you can put stuff that you choose not to have in your tank. Often this includes filtration (e.g., skimmers, reactors, algae scrubbers, other types of additional biological media, etc.). Although putting much of your filtration in a sump may be the most common approach, it is not the only approach (but it is the most common approach for a reason!). I do recommend that you read up on the differences between mechanical, biological, and chemical filtration and have a plan for each. Depending on the temperature in the spaces where your tanks are kept, heaters are almost always a recommended tool. You may also want to consider a temperature controller (such as the Inkbird) to manage the risk of a heater failure (which could do major harm to the critters in your tank). Dr. Tim's or Brightwell's approach to cycling are approaches to consider. Good luck on your new adventure!
 
What Peace River said:)
A 20G water box cube or similar small all-in-one tank would be a great starter tank IMO. Only extra equipment you’d need would be a small heater (with controller as mentioned above) and a light with mounting hardware. Cycling is simple these days with the bottled bacteria products. Have fun!
 
Great advice above so I'll just say welcome to R2R!
 
Before you get started it is best to have an idea in mind about what you want to keep in your aquarium. What first caught your eye and inspired you to start your own? Knowing what you want to keep will help you decided which equipment you need before you make any purchases.
Most people just want to set up a nice looking aquarium with a good mix of fish and corals. This is called a community reef tank. Others may have a certain fish or coral in mind that they wish to keep. You may even want to keep an aquarium just for fish and skip the corals.
Whatever it may be you will want to do a bit of research before purchasing any equipment as different tanks have.
different care requirements. . I see you are researching various tanks. Buy as big as you can afford.
Choosing the perfect tank size is the second most important decision, after choosing what to keep. Tank size is determined by your budget, your livestock choices, and how much space you have to keep your new aquarium.
One of the secrets of reef keeping, bigger is always better.
Saltwater aquariums aren’t cheap, but there is always an affordable way to start keeping your own. Buying the biggest aquarium you can afford will pay off in the end by giving you a higher rate of success and more real estate to store your growing coral collection.
It is important to select a place to keep your aquarium. You want to make sure to have enough room to work around the tank. You should keep your aquarium away from door or windows which have a cold draft and avoid placing your tank somewhere that receives direct sunlight. All-in-one aquariums are a quick and easy way to get started in reef keeping. Build your own requires you purchase each piece of equipment separately and then learn to put it all together. Both get you where you’re going, and it just depends on how much you want to be involved in the process.

  1. Lighting
    The type of lighting you choose will be based on the type of system you have planned to set up, as well as what kind of livestock you will be keeping in it.
  2. Skimmers, Filters & Filtration Equipment
    Once again, what type of system you are going to set up will help you determine which kind of filters and filtration system to choose.
  3. Powerhead
    Depending on the size of your aquarium, the use of one or several powerheads is an excellent way to provide good water circulation throughout the system.
  4. Live Rock & Substrate
    Here you need to decide on what type of material you want on the bottom of the tank, as well as whether you want to start with a live or non-living medium. Live Rock plays an important role in a marine tank. Many marine animals, fish in particular, can be quite territorial. It is important to provide ample shelter or places where the animals can hide, sleep, and avoid potential problems with aggression from other tankmates in the confined space of an aquarium.
  5. Sea Salt Mix/Saltwater & Hydrometer
    Sea salts are what make an aquarium a saltwater or marine aquarium. Also referred to as a salinity tester, this item measures the specific gravity or salt content of the water.
  6. Heater & Thermometer
    For smaller aquariums one heater works well, but for larger systems the use of multiple units is advised. With stick-on, floating, multi-function remote digital sensor, and many other types of units to pick from, the material a thermometer is made of is an important factor when choosing one as well.
  7. Air Pump & Air Stones
    Only needed if you are going to run a piece of equipment that requires these items, Or for quarantining/medicating fish
  8. Test Kits, Additives & Supplements
    For live rock and reef tank systems, calcium (a.k.a. limewater/kalkwasser) needs to be added. Other supplemental vitamins or additives that are beneficial to the health of certain marine inhabitants you may be keeping, such a iodine for crustaceans, are important as well.
  9. Maintenance Tools & Supplies
    This category includes having items on hand such as a various sized plastic buckets or containers, tank cleaning tools such as a siphon tube/hose, an algae scraper or magnet, as well as nets of different sizes, spare equipment replacements parts, and so on. A good way to keep track of what maintenance tasks you have preformed and when is to keep a log book or record of everything you do.
 
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Before you get started it is best to have an idea in mind about what you want to keep in your aquarium. What first caught your eye and inspired you to start your own? Knowing what you want to keep will help you decided which equipment you need before you make any purchases.
Most people just want to set up a nice looking aquarium with a good mix of fish and corals. This is called a community reef tank. Others may have a certain fish or coral in mind that they wish to keep. You may even want to keep an aquarium just for fish and skip the corals.
Whatever it may be you will want to do a bit of research before purchasing any equipment as different tanks have.
different care requirements. . I see you are researching various tanks. Buy as big as you can afford.
Choosing the perfect tank size is the second most important decision, after choosing what to keep. Tank size is determined by your budget, your livestock choices, and how much space you have to keep your new aquarium.
One of the secrets of reef keeping, bigger is always better.
Saltwater aquariums aren’t cheap, but there is always an affordable way to start keeping your own. Buying the biggest aquarium you can afford will pay off in the end by giving you a higher rate of success and more real estate to store your growing coral collection.
It is important to select a place to keep your aquarium. You want to make sure to have enough room to work around the tank. You should keep your aquarium away from door or windows which have a cold draft and avoid placing your tank somewhere that receives direct sunlight. All-in-one aquariums are a quick and easy way to get started in reef keeping. Build your own requires you purchase each piece of equipment separately and then learn to put it all together. Both get you where you’re going, and it just depends on how much you want to be involved in the process.

  1. Lighting
    The type of lighting you choose will be based on the type of system you have planned to set up, as well as what kind of livestock you will be keeping in it.
  2. Skimmers, Filters & Filtration Equipment
    Once again, what type of system you are going to set up will help you determine which kind of filters and filtration system to choose.
  3. Powerhead
    Depending on the size of your aquarium, the use of one or several powerheads is an excellent way to provide good water circulation throughout the system.
  4. Live Rock & Substrate
    Here you need to decide on what type of material you want on the bottom of the tank, as well as whether you want to start with a live or non-living medium. Live Rock plays an important role in a marine tank. Many marine animals, fish in particular, can be quite territorial. It is important to provide ample shelter or places where the animals can hide, sleep, and avoid potential problems with aggression from other tankmates in the confined space of an aquarium.
  5. Sea Salt Mix/Saltwater & Hydrometer
    Sea salts are what make an aquarium a saltwater or marine aquarium. Also referred to as a salinity tester, this item measures the specific gravity or salt content of the water.
  6. Heater & Thermometer
    For smaller aquariums one heater works well, but for larger systems the use of multiple units is advised. With stick-on, floating, multi-function remote digital sensor, and many other types of units to pick from, the material a thermometer is made of is an important factor when choosing one as well.
  7. Air Pump & Air Stones
    Only needed if you are going to run a piece of equipment that requires these items, Or for quarantining/medicating fish
  8. Test Kits, Additives & Supplements
    For live rock and reef tank systems, calcium (a.k.a. limewater/kalkwasser) needs to be added. Other supplemental vitamins or additives that are beneficial to the health of certain marine inhabitants you may be keeping, such a iodine for crustaceans, are important as well.
  9. Maintenance Tools & Supplies
    This category includes having items on hand such as a various sized plastic buckets or containers, tank cleaning tools such as a siphon tube/hose, an algae scraper or magnet, as well as nets of different sizes, spare equipment replacements parts, and so on. A good way to keep track of what maintenance tasks you have preformed and when is to keep a log book or record of everything you do.
^^^Excellent post!!!^^^

There are as many ways to keep marine systems as there are people doing it. What works for someone else might not work for you. The challenge is sifting through all the info and figuring out your particular path to success. I started with a standard 55g tank and a undergravel filter. Added a HOB filter to that. No sump. That tank had 55 different creatures in it and did just fine with weekly large water changes until my then GF nuked it (long story) I graduated to multiple tanks after that all of which used sumps except a 60g cube that ran off a canister and the same HOB that was on the 55. I kept that tank for 22 years and was able to keep anything other that SPS corals.

I'm currently down to just 2 tanks, a 120g DT/40 sump mostly SPS system and a 60g frag tank with 100g sump. All LED lighting - I got tired of having to replace bulbs and really like the shimmer that fluorescent just can't replicate.

I'd suggest starting no smaller than a 40g just for stability's sake. Buy the best you can - it will cost a bit more up front but quality equipment will last a lifetime. One of my eheim 1262 pumps is now over 40 years old and going strong.

Most importantly - HAVE FUN!!!!!
 
Buy a used setup if you can to save money. Unless you don't care about that.
Don't ask others what you should keep. Finding an idea is fine. It's important to find out what you like and what you want your showpiece to be. Work around that piece.
 
Welcome.

Im relatively new, started with fluval evo 13.5 and got hooked and just bought a Red Sea Max Nano, not much bigger but allows for me to grow some more . Start small and you don’t need to spend a whole bunch of money to be successful with it. If budget is a restraint the evo is pretty cheap, or if you only want to start with fish, you can do a hang on back filter with a used 20-40 gallon and work your way up from there. There’s plenty of helpful people on here, who are more then willing to help you out and follow your progress. Also the most important thing...share pictures we love pictures lol good luck and welcome to the never ending learning and excitement of being salty!
 
I agree with the above. Start with as large as you can afford. There may not be as much a cost difference than you think. A nice IM 20/25 AIO with their stand may cost the same as a standard 55 gallon with sump. A nice used 90 or 120 can be quite affordable. Either way factor in a 20 gallon QT setup as well. Don't skimp out on having this. In fact, get the QT setup and running while you decide about the display tank.
 
About a year ago, I came into the hobby and was looking to go with a 75 gallon. Then I was told, go bigger from the start as much as you can afford to do/ or biggest tank you can get in the area where you are putting it. I am VERY VERY HAPPY I did that and ended up with the 120G.
Like mentioned above the bigger tank will give you more success and much more room to put corals and house fish. My point, I am already looking to upgrade my 120 G so if you were to take any advice from me it would definitely be to start as big as you can afford or fit.
Look into fish that you want to home also because tangs and such need minimum tank sizes, so you don’t want to go too small and find out when you go to buy that a certain fish that your tank is too small.
 
Thanks for all of your replies, I have been doing more research. An expensive part of the water box tanks are the lighting. I understand the importance of good lighting but is there anything I could use that would be cheaper than the light that you can get with the water box tank?
 
Thanks for all of your replies, I have been doing more research. An expensive part of the water box tanks are the lighting. I understand the importance of good lighting but is there anything I could use that would be cheaper than the light that you can get with the water box tank?
You really don't need lights for 2 or 3 months after you get your tank running. Plenty of time to research and pick the one best for you. There are plenty of cheap options out there. However each has a reason why they are cheap. Whether it's poor lighting, visual appeal or construction, each differs. Best to wait on purchasing and save up while you do your homework.
 
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.... And Bigger is always better. Once you start frequenting the LFS and online stores the bug will bite and you'll be hooked and you don't want to be putting a Naso Tang in a goldfish bowl. (makes swimming a real hassle)
 
Thanks for all of your replies, I have been doing more research. An expensive part of the water box tanks are the lighting. I understand the importance of good lighting but is there anything I could use that would be cheaper than the light that you can get with the water box tank?
Well, I'd recommend that you definitely get an LED light for a small tank like you're considering. I'd suggest you look for a used high-quality light to start. Like an ecotech radion or and AI. If you definitely want new but don't want to spend a lot, there are lots of chinese options out there these days. Generally if you have any lighting questions, tag Dana Riddle. He's the R2R lighting guru
 

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