Chemistry help please

Thank you everyone for the input and sharing your experiences. I had attempted to raise my pH artificially 2 days ago. After 24hrs it dropped right back down from 8.2 to 7.9 which leads me to believe it's high co2 in the house(maybe I should grow a forest in my living room =P) So after reading everyone's responses of decided to purchase a HOB protein skimmer (Eshopps PSK-100H) because I can always use it in a predator tank in the future, and see how adding the aeration helps. I also purchased a co2 scrubber to test and see if I gain further benefits on top of simple aeration(should be in by the end of next week).

FWIW, aeration alone might make the pH drop further, especially during the day.
 
Would a co2 scrubber correct that though?

CO2 scrubbers can help, yes. How well depends on the relative amounts of tank top aeration (which is untreated) and aeration via the skimmer.

Some people also find it to be expensive long term.
 
Would a co2 scrubber correct that though?
Yes.

This is why I recommended an air stone. It would be a cheap way to find out if the air in your house would support a higher pH or if something like an outside airline or CO2 scrubber would be necessary.

I'll try to give you the over simplified version of Alk and pH. Poor Randy will probably cringe when he reads this. :(

Alkalinity is a combination of Carbonate (CO3) and Bi-Carbonate (HCO3). The ratio of these changes based on pH. As pH drops, the Carbonate is converted to Bi-Carbonate. Coral "tend" to prefer carbonate to grow which is why we like a higher pH. Carbonate and Bi-Bicarbonate together are what we measure as Total Alkalinity.

pH is a measure of the hydrogen ions in the water. Carbon Dioxide (CO2) in water (H2O) creates Carbonic Acid (H2CO3). The hydrogen ions in an acid are what lowers pH. So, the more CO2 in the water, the more Carbonic Acid you get, and the more pH goes down.

Carbonate, Bi-Carbonate and Carbonic Acid all exist in a balance in an aquarium CO3 <--> HCO3 <--> H2CO3. If you add Carbonate, it shifts the equation to the left and pH goes up (Total Alk goes up too). If you add CO2, the equation shifts right and pH goes down (Total Alk does not change). So, if our Alk is where we want it, but pH is low, our best method to correct it is to reduce Carbonic Acid, which we do by reducing CO2.

Fish, along with decaying plants, fish food, and some bacteria release CO2. Most algaes consume CO2. To complicate this, we also have gas exchange with the air. These are the 3 main factors that determine the CO2 level in your aquarium. If you add aeration you increase the impact that the gas exchange has in relation to the other 2 factors. So, if the dissolved gas in your aquarium has more CO2 than the air you start mixing it with, your dissolved CO2 will go down and your pH will go up. If your aquarium has less CO2 than the air you start mixing it with, your dissolved CO2 will go up and your pH will go down. If you aerate your tank with outside air (350ppm), pH will track almost exactly with Total Alkalinity.
 
Ok thank you, we shall see how the next week or so goes. Might have to plumb my line to the skimmer outside, or even the co2 scrubber if it goes through the media too quick
 
Anyone who's interested, just thought I'd update yeah. I put the protein skimmer on last week, and the PH Rose - 7.8 - 8.0

I just added the air filter with the CO2 scrubbing media last night, and this morning my pH was a perfect 8.2. I've also noticed slight drop in my alkalinity over 24 hours. So the corals must be using more with a higher pH. Couldn't be happier with the results. Thank you everybody for your help and input.
 
Anyone who's interested, just thought I'd update yeah. I put the protein skimmer on last week, and the PH Rose - 7.8 - 8.0

I just added the air filter with the CO2 scrubbing media last night, and this morning my pH was a perfect 8.2. I've also noticed slight drop in my alkalinity over 24 hours. So the corals must be using more with a higher pH. Couldn't be happier with the results. Thank you everybody for your help and input.

Sounds great.

Happy Reefing. :)
 
Sounds great BP. I'm sure you will see improvement in the health of your reef.
 
One other recommendation / investment, now that you have established pH as a potential problem, is to get a pH monitor. I had to get a monitor/ controller for my calc reactor, but the added benefit has been to be able to easily track pH at a glance throughout the day and over many days without running tests. When you consider the cost to run tests long term and having to judge color it's not too difficult to justify. Might also help decide when it's time to change co2 scrubber media before pH drops.
 
I definately agree with you, epically because I just bought the tank for my next upgrade. Just got a 75gal with built in corner overflow. Figure it will be a year before I build the stand and sump and purchase all the extras. I'm gonna start another thread looking for input as to which controller/monitor is preferred by the masses.
 

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