Ich and interceptor

melypr1985 · Jan 15, 2016

Triggreef said:
I thought interceptor was actually a dewormer for dogs but I could be wrong. It's also long been known and readily accepted as red bug treatment for reef tanks and quite reef safe aside from shrimp crabs and pods.

The ich on my dog was a joke and has nothing to do with fleas or worms on dogs. I'm sorry.... I tend to think I'm hilarious when most others don't.

I had never heard of interceptor being used in a reef tank before so I googled what it was quickly and that was what one of the results mentioned..... flea prevention. My ignorance of this method is why I didn't contribute anything but a poor joke. I'm just following along and trying to learn.

Triggreef · Jan 15, 2016

melypr1985 said:
The ich on my dog was a joke and has nothing to do with fleas or worms on dogs. I'm sorry.... I tend to think I'm hilarious when most others don't. I had never heard of interceptor being used in a reef tank before so I googled what it was quickly and that was what one of the results mentioned..... flea prevention. My ignorance of this method is why I didn't contribute anything but a poor joke. I'm just following along and trying to learn.

I see, your posts are usually pretty spot on surprised you hadn't seen this one yet but that's why we're all here I guess. It gets boring when you stop learning.

Reef UP · Jan 15, 2016

cmcoker said:
That I should not post when I am not fully awake and ramble on and on.. Haha

So with the information you rambled about think any of it would kill ich parasite?

melypr1985 · Jan 15, 2016

Triggreef said:
I see, your posts are usually pretty spot on surprised you hadn't seen this one yet but that's why we're all here I guess. It gets boring when you stop learning.

Thank you for the compliment! I'm always learning... your right, that's what keeps it fun!

Triggreef · Jan 15, 2016

@Reef UP it is possible, but whether or not you will gain open approval from forum reefers to test it out on a living fish is questionable.

A more likely reef safe solution that I've brought up a couple times is peroxide dosing. I've seen a couple threads where people have dosed it for algae control and had a side benefit of supposedly curing their itch at the same time.

I read an actually study on the use of peroxide to fight marine ich as well, which had good results as long as the fish survived. They used much higher dosage than what is suggested for reef safe algae removal.

cmcoker · Jan 16, 2016

Reef UP said:
So with the information you rambled about think any of it would kill ich parasite?

I guess anything is possible until proven otherwise.

Interceptor, with all the in tank use of it over the years, I would have thought someone would notice that ich went away (like mentioned above with the peroxide treatments) I would suspect it to not have any effect on ich, it is at least "fish safe" in the red bug doses, if someone wanted to experiment.

Fenbendazole is used to treat the protozoa parasite Giardia in pets. It might have some effect, but it would require some testing. Also, fish safe as Twilliard can tell you.

Metronidazole is touted by at least one company to treat Marine ich, though they don't supply any reference materials. Metronidazole is also used against Giardia in pets, antibiotic so would need to be bound to food.

Imidacloprid is a successful coral dip, But I wouldn't expose a fish to it, personally..

Frontline (generic = Fipronil) I just mentioned because the generics are so prevalent. One of the vets I work with forgot he had applied the Frontline spray to a patient, then saw something he needed to address in his office tank... Cleaner shrimp immediately started seizing and died as soon as he stuck his arm in..

Reef UP · Jan 16, 2016

Triggreef said:
@Reef UP it is possible, but whether or not you will gain open approval from forum reefers to test it out on a living fish is questionable.

A more likely reef safe solution that I've brought up a couple times is peroxide dosing. I've seen a couple threads where people have dosed it for algae control and had a side benefit of supposedly curing their itch at the same time.

I read an actually study on the use of peroxide to fight marine ich as well, which had good results as long as the fish survived. They used much higher dosage than what is suggested for reef safe algae removal.

Yeah I did peroxide dosing back in the day I think everyone was doing it for awhile can remember recommended dosage now though might be interesting to do side by sides of a sort

Reef UP · Jan 16, 2016

cmcoker said:
I guess anything is possible until proven otherwise.

Interceptor, with all the in tank use of it over the years, I would have thought someone would notice that ich went away (like mentioned above with the peroxide treatments) I would suspect it to not have any effect on ich, it is at least "fish safe" in the red bug doses, if someone wanted to experiment.

Fenbendazole is used to treat the protozoa parasite Giardia in pets. It might have some effect, but it would require some testing. Also, fish safe as Twilliard can tell you.

Metronidazole is touted by at least one company to treat Marine ich, though they don't supply any reference materials. Metronidazole is also used against Giardia in pets, antibiotic so would need to be bound to food.

Imidacloprid is a successful coral dip, But I wouldn't expose a fish to it, personally..

Frontline (generic = Fipronil) I just mentioned because the generics are so prevalent. One of the vets I work with forgot he had applied the Frontline spray to a patient, then saw something he needed to address in his office tank... Cleaner shrimp immediately started seizing and died as soon as he stuck his arm in..

Yeah can't see much of what it could hurt haven't seen anyone ever mentioning fish death when fighting red bugs

Breakthecycle2 · Jan 20, 2016

I'd like to know if Fenbenzole has ever been studied in ICH eradication.

omykiss001 · Jan 20, 2016

Triggreef said:
I thought interceptor was actually a dewormer for dogs but I could be wrong. It's also long been known and readily accepted as red bug treatment for reef tanks and quite reef safe aside from shrimp crabs and pods.

Interceptor is a prophylaxis treatment for heartworm in dogs. Our were on it until they had issues making the stuff then seemed very hard to come by. It also treats a couple of other worms, but mainly a heartworm medication.

Humblefish · Jan 20, 2016

^^Agree. The only way Interceptor, Fenbendazole, Safety Stop, hydrogen peroxide and ginger

are ever gonna be tested on ich is if one of us does it. There's no money to be made in the grand scheme of things in developing new treatments for ich.

Setup a QT, go buy a fish with ich (Petco will sell them to you for 1/2 price), and dump your treatment of choice in there. Document/photograph everything and observe the fish post treatment. Convert one FW black molly over to full SW, and place him in with your test subject. Mollies have no immunity whatsoever to marine diseases and ich will show up easily against the black contrast. Share your results with the forum via thread.

Your research will never be considered "good enough" for scientific purposes, but it will be good enough for fellow hobbyists (like me) to conduct further research into your cure.

Reef UP · Jan 21, 2016

Reef UP said:
Yeah can't see much of what it could hurt haven't seen anyone ever mentioning fish death when fighting red bugs

Humblefish said:
^^Agree. The only way Interceptor, Fenbendazole, Safety Stop, hydrogen peroxide and ginger are ever gonna be tested on ich is if one of us does it. There's no money to be made in the grand scheme of things in developing new treatments for ich.

Setup a QT, go buy a fish with ich (Petco will sell them to you for 1/2 price), and dump your treatment of choice in there. Document/photograph everything and observe the fish post treatment. Convert one FW black molly over to full SW, and place him in with your test subject. Mollies have no immunity whatsoever to marine diseases and ich will show up easily against the black contrast. Share your results with the forum via thread.

Your research will never be considered "good enough" for scientific purposes, but it will be good enough for fellow hobbyists (like me) to conduct further research into your cure.

Great thought on the mollies I've been rounding up supplies and will be happy to document

Humblefish · Jan 21, 2016

Reef UP said:
Great thought on the mollies I've been rounding up supplies and will be happy to document

Thanks, but I can't really take credit for it. Public aquariums have been using black mollies as "canary fish" for years.

Reef UP · Jan 21, 2016

Humblefish said:
Thanks, but I can't really take credit for it. Public aquariums have been using black mollies as "canary fish" for years.

I wonder and would suppose the same for monos etc

Humblefish · Jan 21, 2016

Reef UP said:
I wonder and would suppose the same for monos etc

Would be harder to see ich/velvet on a mono's skin. Black mollies are perfect for this purpose though.

omykiss001 · Jan 21, 2016

@Humblefish dont' know if you seen this paper before but actually has data on several treatments including peroxide, L-DOPA, and quinine based chemcials like chloroquine diphosphate. Looks at the susceptibility of the theront state. Interesting peroxide which was debated in a different thread seems to plateau at about 91% kill at least up to 100 ppm concentration. Anyway thought it was a nice study showing at least the ability to these to kill. I was surprised chemicals like L-DOPA, Epigallocatechin gallate (isolated from green tea no less) had 100% kill rate in the study. Anyway found it interesting thought I'd pass it on.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...f_the_ciliate_protozoan_Cryptocaryon_irritans

Humblefish · Jan 21, 2016

omykiss001 said:
@Humblefish dont' know if you seen this paper before but actually has data on several treatments including peroxide, L-DOPA, and quinine based chemcials like chloroquine diphosphate. Looks at the susceptibility of the theront state. Interesting peroxide which was debated in a different thread seems to plateau at about 91% kill at least up to 100 ppm concentration. Anyway thought it was a nice study showing at least the ability to these to kill. I was surprised chemicals like L-DOPA, Epigallocatechin gallate (isolated from green tea no less) had 100% kill rate in the study. Anyway found it interesting thought I'd pass it on.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...f_the_ciliate_protozoan_Cryptocaryon_irritans

Awesome! I will read over this later!

Reef UP · Jan 21, 2016

omykiss001 said:
@Humblefish dont' know if you seen this paper before but actually has data on several treatments including peroxide, L-DOPA, and quinine based chemcials like chloroquine diphosphate. Looks at the susceptibility of the theront state. Interesting peroxide which was debated in a different thread seems to plateau at about 91% kill at least up to 100 ppm concentration. Anyway thought it was a nice study showing at least the ability to these to kill. I was surprised chemicals like L-DOPA, Epigallocatechin gallate (isolated from green tea no less) had 100% kill rate in the study. Anyway found it interesting thought I'd pass it on.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...f_the_ciliate_protozoan_Cryptocaryon_irritans

Question he what of those could be reef safe as that's some of the objective here

omykiss001 · Jan 21, 2016

Reef UP said:
Question he what of those could be reef safe as that's some of the objective here

Reef safe would be the panacea, but if I could find something with close to zero toxicity to fish and didn't require a script from a vet I consider that a huge win compared copper.

Reef UP · Jan 22, 2016

omykiss001 said:
Reef safe would be the panacea, but if I could find something with close to zero toxicity to fish and didn't require a script from a vet I consider that a huge win compared copper.

That's very true
Also needs to be weighed In though is the medication or ich more stressful?
And I've always refused use of copper on my tangs
Would the panacea have any ill affects on inverts?