It is time to do something.

[skinz78]

I am not sure if this has been posted yet but we need to change our ways and fast.

Coral reefs and climate change, a message for Copenhagen on Vimeo

 

[noobreef408]

My keeping a reef system your actually hurting the coral reef in the ocean. Money that you spend makes divers go take it from the wild. Electricity taht you use cause pollution. The car we drive is causing pollution.

If we are to stop this, we must stop reefing. But as humanity is I doubt we would do anything until the last minute. this is your building block of society Procrastination.

 

[jaytizzle]

Gotta love some good ol' fashioned propaganda...

 

[reefsmokinFOOL]

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[Ike]

I think that he should be part of the solution and not the problem. Reduce his carbon footprint and stop breathing, that would help all of mankind.

Nice first post, real classy...

 

[revhtree Verified Admin]

Easy everyone...

Remember we are a flame free site and we treat others with respect. Thank you.

 

[nayrgaijin]

That's a really good video. Personally I plan on adjusting my coral purchasing to mainly aqua cultured coral and start practicing Scolymia propogation.
My year goal is to have a frag tank full of purely aqua cultured coral. I want to one day distribute as a hobby

 

[skinz78]

That's a really good video. Personally I plan on adjusting my coral purchasing to mainly aqua cultured coral and start practicing Scolymia propogation.
My year goal is to have a frag tank full of purely aqua cultured coral. I want to one day distribute as a hobby

I totally agree, we should lean towards aqua cultured.

I mean think about it, if you buy from an aqua cultured source you are buying from someone who is just as if not more addicted than you are to reef keeping. And you know they aren't doing it for the money because they aren't making a killing doing it. Although nobody is "aqua cultured or not".

But we need to look at the bigger picture, the problem isn't just from collecting wild animals. It is even more so caused by people carelessly thrashing the environment.

Remember "We don't inherit our land from our parents, we borrow it from our children."

 

[nayrgaijin]

That's a good quote.
We should also experiment more into propagation or at least make sure more people understand propagation. I have people asking me all the time how to do zoos or SPS. It's so easy and people just need to realize this.

 

[Reef Pets]

I believe that most of us here on R2R are into propagation. I am sure that many of you know, 15 years ago propagation was not part of this hobby. Therefore, things have come a long way in this amount of time. Aquaculture and propagation will help drastically. If we continue to propagate, in several years down the road most of the coral will be aquacultured.

I feel that one of the largest impacts on the reef and this hobby are the noobies that do not take the time to read and have the know how before jumping into this delicate hobby. Many of these people have the money to throw away and they just replace the coral that they killed with a new coral that they will kill again and again...
After a while these people either give up on the hobby or take the time to learn how to care for a reef tank. I could only imagine how many wild coral are collected only to be killed from lack ok knowledge.

This is why its important to take the time to answer questions that people post. Yeah, some of the question may seem a little off the wall or some would say stupid. But in reality you might be saving coral in the long run.

 

[Ike]

Fish collection is far more damaging to reefs than coral collection. Also, corals like scolymia aren't reef building corals and don't have an impact on a reef one way or another. With coral collection for the hobby it's in the best interest of the collector to treat that piece very well and have it live. When it comes to fish collection they often don't care what gets damaged along the way, it only matters if they get the fish they're after. Some of the fishing techniques used in the last few decades are startling damaging to the reefs.

 

[skinz78]

Fish collection is far more damaging to reefs than coral collection. Also, corals like scolymia aren't reef building corals and don't have an impact on a reef one way or another. With coral collection for the hobby it's in the best interest of the collector to treat that piece very well and have it live. When it comes to fish collection they often don't care what gets damaged along the way, it only matters if they get the fish they're after. Some of the fishing techniques used in the last few decades are startling damaging to the reefs.

I agree, fish collection for food is far more damaging for the reefs.

I think where the video is trying to get actions for is not out in the oceans but right here in our own back yards.

Now I am no tree hugger or environmentalist by any means. Heck I have been known to cut my fair share of trees. And I don't know what the answer is but I do plan on altering my ways and trying to recycle more and more.

 

[Ike]

I agree, fish collection for food is far more damaging for the reefs.

I think where the video is trying to get actions for is not out in the oceans but right here in our own back yards.

Now I am no tree hugger or environmentalist by any means. Heck I have been known to cut my fair share of trees. And I don't know what the answer is but I do plan on altering my ways and trying to recycle more and more.

Not just for food, for the hobby...

 

[nayrgaijin]

Also, corals like scolymia aren't reef building corals and don't have an impact on a reef one way or another.

My point on the Scolymia fragging is that if there are readily offered aquacultured ones then we can cut down on buying them from being collected in the wild. Am I wrong for this ? I mean there are a-ton of people that aquculture RBTA, SPS, softies, all kinds of LPS, but when it comes to things like Welsos, Scolys, and trachs, there isn't/aren't many people that do it. This would be something I would like to change.

 

[Ike]

My point on the Scolymia fragging is that if there are readily offered aquacultured ones then we can cut down on buying them from being collected in the wild. Am I wrong for this ? I mean there are a-ton of people that aquculture RBTA, SPS, softies, all kinds of LPS, but when it comes to things like Welsos, Scolys, and trachs, there isn't/aren't many people that do it. This would be something I would like to change.

Not wrong, by all means go for it... However, it's really not going to make a difference as far as conserving the reefs since none of those are reef building corals and many aren't even found on a reef.

 

[nayrgaijin]

Not wrong, by all means go for it... However, it's really not going to make a difference as far as conserving the reefs since none of those are reef building corals and many aren't even found on a reef.

Dude I pm'd you about the matter, you are going to try and tell me Scolymia aren't even found on the reef ?! You are quite wrong my friend, they are usually found attached although they can be free living away from the reef. Also found in large groups together, I remember reading they are mostly found in crevasses or along a bank found along within a reef. They are usually slanted or sideways showing they don't prefer massive amounts of light.

Now how do they benefit a reef I couldn't tell you, but can you tell me the reasoning on how they don't ?

 

[Ike]

Dude I pm'd you about the matter, you are going to try and tell me Scolymia aren't even found on the reef ?! You are quite wrong my friend, they are usually found attached although they can be free living away from the reef. Also found in large groups together, I remember reading they are mostly found in crevasses or along a bank found along within a reef. They are usually slanted or sideways showing they don't prefer massive amounts of light.

Now how do they benefit a reef I couldn't tell you, but can you tell me the reasoning on how they don't ?

You oddly seem to be personally offended, so I'm not even going to bother responding to your PM. I never said Scolymia don't occur on the reef, I said "many aren't even found on a reef" in refernce to some of corals you mentioned. Though technically some of those corals may be considered reef building, even those that are aren't abundant nor really important to the overall structure. But again, don't let that discourage you and again, go for it, the less things we as a hobby pull from nature the better. I'm sorry if you feel personally attacked because I impugned the reef building status of corals you like, but you're just going to have to come to terms with it. That is "where I get off".

 

[nayrgaijin]

It's impugned.....
Thanks for the apology, I just feel I am trying to do something right and your response was not what I would have expected. Like I said my main reasoning is not many people are able to / do frag these types of corals. I am sure in the future people would like to see the beauties in the wild just as we do in our tanks.
No hard feelings man.

 

[Reefinginpasadena]

In Marine bio we learn about ways ppl catch fish or kill fish for fun, ppl throw dinamite into the corals and blow them up just to kill fish.... fishers throw ropes and nets over their boat and drag it and kill and brake corals that way.... there are many more things then just the environment and ppl collecting wild pieces. I agree this hobby needs to turn into aquaculture thing and we need to stop collecting corals out of the ocean!

 

[Reefinginpasadena]

i have seen a few ppl frag scolymias and they actually do fine i dont know how long they would take to rebuild though it could take a few years for all we know? but its interesting thing to find out!