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Japanese Acans
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If they exist, and are in people's tanks, they were collected illegally. Japan does not allow any corals to be exported. Chances are, if someone's claiming to have them, they're actually from Vietnam, named "Japanese" to make them seem rare and more expensive.
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I'm sure they're not actual Japanese acans but it's the moniker given to that particular looking species of acan just trying to see what colors and patterns are out there
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Id share my acan garden but none of them are Japanese
share away!!!
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brannock_16
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So if they are not of Japanese derivation why are they still labeled as Japanese and priced accordingly? It is apparent that hobbyists are aware that collection and exportation from Japan is illegal so why are they still marketed as such? Is this not asking for trouble (for the vendors) by marketing these as an illegally imported specimen?
And on the same note, since they are not coming from Japan where are they coming from? Vietnam or somewhere in the coral triangle?
And on the same note, since they are not coming from Japan where are they coming from? Vietnam or somewhere in the coral triangle?
Ricordea
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Yes there were Japanese Acans that arrived here about 5 years ago,maybe longer?They were pink in color,and $$$$$.Most of the folks that I knew they didn't make it.Said that the problem was due to cooler water conditions.That we didn't have in our systems.It's been far to long ago for me to remember exact details.But they were here at one time.And I think the folks that sold them might have gotten in trouble over this.
brannock_16
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Hmmm. That is very interesting. So where are all of these newly labeled "Japanese" Acans coming from. IMO they are nowhere near as colorful or intriguing as their australian counterparts.
Chances are, most are coming from Borneo and/or Vietnam. Here's a very good article, written by Eric Borneman and Anthony Calfo, which speaks to a lot of the "Acan hype," along with various clues as to how it's been purposely kept a hype, by certain people artificially pumping up the prices. This article also speaks to the possibility of Japanese Acans being poached, smuggled to different countries and shipped out of those countries. It also speaks of huge confiscations and legal efforts to stop the poaching of corals from Japanese waters. This article is a couple years old, but still very relevant.
Good Lordhowensis!! by Eric Borneman and Anthony Calfo - Reefkeeping.com
Even if they are available, which I have no doubt they are, as reef hobbyists, supposedly trying to teach "ethical reef keeping," should we purchase them? Is it ethical to purchase corals that we know were collected illegally? I'm not making a judgement against anyone who buys or sells them, as much as asking a hypothetical question, to make us think. For me, and my own "thoughts," I couldn't knowing partake in the trade of corals that were collected illegally. That's my own standards that I've set for myself. Again, I'm not making any judgemental statements against anyone else, but do think it's a conscious decision that each of us need to make and have the information to make the best decisions possible.
Good Lordhowensis!! by Eric Borneman and Anthony Calfo - Reefkeeping.com
Even if they are available, which I have no doubt they are, as reef hobbyists, supposedly trying to teach "ethical reef keeping," should we purchase them? Is it ethical to purchase corals that we know were collected illegally? I'm not making a judgement against anyone who buys or sells them, as much as asking a hypothetical question, to make us think. For me, and my own "thoughts," I couldn't knowing partake in the trade of corals that were collected illegally. That's my own standards that I've set for myself. Again, I'm not making any judgemental statements against anyone else, but do think it's a conscious decision that each of us need to make and have the information to make the best decisions possible.
Yes, it is a dated write up. IMO, it's still very relevant though.
Astroreevo
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I agree with your opinion! :nerd:Aussie acan is more colorful. I've seen many of them and they're all averagely was amazing :bigsmile:
Ricordea
Community Member
I agree with you guys as for the Aussie Acans go.But Aussie corals weren't on the scene, like we see today.Just to have and Acan back then they weren't cheap.Those corals were the flavor of the year.And to have or find pink coloration,was almost unheard of.And you could demand your selling price.Especially if you are the only one selling them.
brahm
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Years ago when the acan craze was really kicking off some of us found some Japanese acans on Japanese reef sites, many of us contacted them in an efforts to get them to ship to us but most of us failed. However.. there were a couple guys (I know of 2 guys and a store). (Who at least publicly admitted, I don't know how many people did but never said anything). Who managed to "procure" a number of really amazing Japanese acans from other sources our just buying power. Unfortunately around that time, myself and a few of the other Acan fans were banned from RC, and we sort of lost touch as a couple of those guys moved to posting to there local reef forums which aren't open to the public. If you dig threw archive.reefcentral.com and search "not indo", or these threads, acanthastrea pics...lets see em! - Page 183 - Reef Central Online Community Archives acanthastrea pics...lets see em! - Reef Central Online Community Archives you will find you can find some mention of them. There was one guy that was openly selling them for what at the time seemed like insane prices, but looking back and looking at today's chalice prices they seem relatively cheap. I don't know if his website is still live, and I don't remember the url unfortunately.
As far as the longevity of them. I received a frag of 1 "non-indo" acan back in the days in a trade. It actually was the longest lived of all my acans, and it went w/my tank when I tore it down to today's standards it's really not that exciting, but back then it was a pretty unique colour compared to the indo stuff..not the best pics.. it had a really nice mettalic shimmer to it.
As far as the longevity of them. I received a frag of 1 "non-indo" acan back in the days in a trade. It actually was the longest lived of all my acans, and it went w/my tank when I tore it down to today's standards it's really not that exciting, but back then it was a pretty unique colour compared to the indo stuff..not the best pics.. it had a really nice mettalic shimmer to it.
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Troylee
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According to a few vendors I talked to yes this quiet the case... I guess the risk is worth the extra buck dunno..
I was also told there was a exporter who willingy shipped the so called illegal acans and marked them unknown or Vietnam etc... But there was a black market here not to long ago that I heard about ... With in the last year actually....not sure who it was or anything and could be a rumor for all I know..
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