Mandarin QT methods

[Kruss7]

Good evening,

Was just curious what the most up to date method for QTing a Mandarin Dragonette is?

I have heard that they don’t handle copper well from some, others say it’s fine. Anyone got any data on this?

TTM sounds like the way to go, but the pod situation could be a bit of an issue.

I know some people do straight into the display but it isn’t a risk I’m personally willing to take.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Good evening,

Was just curious what the most up to date method for QTing a Mandarin Dragonette is?

I have heard that they don’t handle copper well from some, others say it’s fine. Anyone got any data on this?

TTM sounds like the way to go, but the pod situation could be a bit of an issue.

I know some people do straight into the display but it isn’t a risk I’m personally willing to take.

They dont handle coppersafe or ionic copper well indeed and best is General cure and plenty of pods or baby brine for food supply

 

[Kruss7]

They dont handle coppersafe or ionic copper well indeed and best is General cure and plenty of pods or baby brine for food supply

This wouldn’t cover urenoma, velvet and ich tho correct? Are you recommending this because they are less susceptible to what I listed?

 

[vetteguy53081]

This wouldn’t cover urenoma, velvet and ich tho correct? Are you recommending this because they are less susceptible to what I listed?

General cure will address ich on this fish and contains Praziquantel which is safe also for this fish. Generally recommended quarantine procedure is coppersafe followed by praziPro. General addresses both and safe for fish

 

[Kruss7]

General cure will address ich on this fish and contains Praziquantel which is safe also for this fish. Generally recommended quarantine procedure is coppersafe followed by praziPro. General addresses both and safe for fish

I thought that general cure was just prazi and metro and would just cure the following.

Metro: Internal parasites (flagellates), Brooklynella, (Urenoma in water, not on fish)

Prazi: Flukes (Monogeneans), Black Ich (Turbellarians), and intestinal worms

What makes the difference for it treat regular ich on these fish?

 

[vetteguy53081]

I thought that general cure was just prazi and metro and would just cure the following.

Metro: Internal parasites (flagellates), Brooklynella, (Urenoma in water, not on fish)

Prazi: Flukes (Monogeneans), Black Ich (Turbellarians), and intestinal worms

What makes the difference for it treat regular ich on these fish?

The level of metro will be effective in mild treatment for protozoan issues and bacterial issues.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Good evening,

Was just curious what the most up to date method for QTing a Mandarin Dragonette is?

I have heard that they don’t handle copper well from some, others say it’s fine. Anyone got any data on this?

TTM sounds like the way to go, but the pod situation could be a bit of an issue.

I know some people do straight into the display but it isn’t a risk I’m personally willing to take.

Mandarins are always tough to deal with. On top of all the issues, many of these are still collected with cyanide, and end up dying during the quarantine phase, and that often gets blamed on the medications used.

While General Cure is safe for them, it does NOT address ich or velvet. It is for flukes and internal flagellate protozoans.

TTM works against ich, but you need to modify that to get it to work for velvet or other parasites.

I've used coppersafe on mandarins, but the reality is that they just don't do well in bare QT, and that causes issues by itself.

In the end, the very best way I've found to handle mandarins is not very practical for most people: We have a coral frag system with no fish in it. We put mandarins in there for 45 days, no treatment, just let them graze on pods and fatten up.

The next best method is to buy tank raised mandarins direct from the breeder and put them right into the exhibit.

 

[Tamberav]

You could consider a captive one straight from biota (no middle man) which would lower any chance of disease.

They are tiny though and I would not medicate them. Tank transfer if anything.

 

[Kruss7]

Mandarins are always tough to deal with. On top of all the issues, many of these are still collected with cyanide, and end up dying during the quarantine phase, and that often gets blamed on the medications used.

While General Cure is safe for them, it does NOT address ich or velvet. It is for flukes and internal flagellate protozoans.

TTM works against ich, but you need to modify that to get it to work for velvet or other parasites.

I've used coppersafe on mandarins, but the reality is that they just don't do well in bare QT, and that causes issues by itself.

In the end, the very best way I've found to handle mandarins is not very practical for most people: We have a coral frag system with no fish in it. We put mandarins in there for 45 days, no treatment, just let them graze on pods and fatten up.

The next best method is to buy tank raised mandarins direct from the breeder and put them right into the exhibit.

I have heard from a few people in my area as well that they have used copper safe or copper power on mandarins and they are fine.

If I get it on prepared foods first I may go the way of a medicated QT with coppersafe.

I also have a fishless frag tank I could use. My only worry with this is even if the fish is in there for 45 days is it not possible for the fish to just carry a pathogen?

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

I have heard from a few people in my area as well that they have used copper safe or copper power on mandarins and they are fine.

If I get it on prepared foods first I may go the way of a medicated QT with coppersafe.

I also have a fishless frag tank I could use. My only worry with this is even if the fish is in there for 45 days is it not possible for the fish to just carry a pathogen?

Yes - it is possible for a fish to carry a disease through a 45 day observation-only quarantine period. I would never recommend that method for regular fish, but mandarins are resistant to many diseases (flukes for example) so the risk is less with them. No quarantine process is 100%, it is all about risk versus effort.....

 

[Kruss7]

Yes - it is possible for a fish to carry a disease through a 45 day observation-only quarantine period. I would never recommend that method for regular fish, but mandarins are resistant to many diseases (flukes for example) so the risk is less with them. No quarantine process is 100%, it is all about risk versus effort.....

Are they resistant to diseases that are more likely to cause tank wipes like ich, velvet, uronema?

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Are they resistant to diseases that are more likely to cause tank wipes like ich, velvet, uronema?

They can get ich and velvet, but are often the last to die from it in a group. I’ve never seen one get Uronema. They seem resistant to many fluke species, but can get gill flukes.