Moonshiners method feedback

[Rmckoy]

At the end of the day, corals need proper parameters, proper nutrition, proper light (if photosynthetic, proper flow, and lack of predators to thrive. Once you understand this, you can see how simple/complicated you can make it. The basics will be the same.

Prior to this tank .
I’ve never had any issues with corals .
My last tank was mostly sps and thrived for years before cracking and leaked
The transfer was what caused the crash ..

 

[Mattiejay6]

Are you implying moonshiners is the only way to have proper parameters? There are many ways to skin a cat.

Im implying this thread was specific to the moonshiner method and feedback of. which the primary goal is to maintain proper parameters for a happy tank.

 

[jda]

That is where you are wrong. The goal is to maintain the parameters that they tell you, using the methods that they tell you. Nobody knows really if they are proper, or not. If you want to do it, then cool, but just know that it is more a leap of faith than a matter of proper.

Leaps of faith can be fine in this hobby. Often, that is the best that we can do. I would still caution folks to not discount what really smart people say about your leap who have no vested interest in selling you products and a lifetime of biological and chemistry experience.

 

[Miami Reef]

IMO there are easier and more effective ways to have proper parameters.

Im implying this thread was specific to the moonshiner method and feedback of. which the primary goal is to maintain proper parameters for a happy tank.

Pro cons

The OP asked for pros and cons. I personally don’t support the CEO of the company. I don’t like how he deviates from the scientific method, so that is a con for me personally.

The method uses ICP to (over obsess) and nitpick over non biologically needed elements. Not my reefing style.

ICP has its drawbacks (forms of trace elements are very important), ICP isn’t always consistent. Added cost.

I enjoy water changes. Again, not the method for me. Can it be the method for you? Sure.

 

[Mattiejay6]

That is where you are wrong. The goal is to maintain the parameters that they tell you, using the methods that they tell you. Nobody knows really if they are proper, or not. If you want to do it, then cool, but just know that it is more a leap of faith than a matter of proper.

Leaps of faith can be fine in this hobby. Often, that is the best that we can do. I would still caution folks to not discount what really smart people say about your leap who have no vested interest in selling you products and a lifetime of biological and chemistry experience.

If no body knows if it’s correct or not, then why is it a leap of faith. Seems the track record of feedback shows there is positive results? Side note, RM doesn’t even sell everything that they recommend to dose with.. they point you in the direction of some products, but you can choose to use other companies etc. however ultimately I do know it’s a business, but I am enjoying it.

I also do not discredit the hard work of others and what they have posted, I also believe this is an ever evolving hobby

 

[jda]

 

[Reefahholic]

So what is the plan if it becomes apparent that Oceamo is a joke, like nearly every other reefing company? I am not saying that they are, only that if they are not, they are in a super-small minority. They are mostly a black box. The few that have checked their results against other see big discrepancies. Why should anybody put more faith in them than they have other companies who have let hobbyists down? As Dr. Joshi points out, there is no evidence that anything that they produce is accurate, nor the other companies.

Is reliance a too much of a leap of faith? Everybody please consider that this could just be a fad to trust ICP in totality.

I’ve been using them and watching everybody’s results and corals don’t lie. We can both send a ICP-MS tonight or tomorrow, and view the results publicly here for both of our tanks, and see who’s values are closer to target range since you think they might be a joke. Just let me know. It’s time I send another analysis right now.

 

[Mattiejay6]

Plenty of testimonies here showing it’s effective.

 

[Reefahholic]

I am not trying to be a jerk, but there are threads just like this one with Moonshiners for Kent Elements, live phyto, oyster eggs, acropower, coral snow, etc. where people have had super awesome experiences dosing them and their tanks get better... and then the enthusiasm wanes and tanks do just fine without. Folks find out that it was any method that worked and not this method - the focus is what mattered.

...anyway, just something to keep in mind.

Enthusiasm will fade with anything. That is a fact of life. People are always looking for the new and better way. For now, my corals are growing and looking great and I don’t plan on changing anytime soon. It’s just too easy.

 

[Charlie the Reefer]

Sorry for the non value add comment.. I couldn’t resist

 

[Reefahholic]

I’ve got around 50 ICP tests with ATI at this point. I’ve talked to multiple people who actually run and process ICP testing because of my salt testing experiment.

Even though it puts a damper on my experiment, ICP testing is far from reliable or accurate. Especially when you’re paying less than a $100 for a test lol

Then you should be confident as well as Jda. If OCEAMO is just a joke. You are welcome to send an ICP-MS out also. We’ll compare 3 different systems. After all, if you think I can’t dial those traces in, you’ll have nothing to fear.

 

[IKD]

If no body knows if it’s correct or not, then why is it a leap of faith. Seems the track record of feedback shows there is positive results? Side note, RM doesn’t even sell everything that they recommend to dose with.. the point you in the direction of some products, but you can choose to use other companies etc. however ultimately I do know it’s a business, but I am enjoying it.

I also do not discredit the hard work of others and what they have posted, it I also believe this is an ever evolving hobby

I’m just looking at results. If my tank is improving with whatever method, you can tell me science and research say it shouldn’t work and I’m inadvertently doing something else that’s really the reason, but it doesn’t detract from the results and that’s my ultimate goal. Methods get refined over time and RM is no exception.

 

[Reefahholic]

That is where you are wrong. The goal is to maintain the parameters that they tell you, using the methods that they tell you. Nobody knows really if they are proper, or not. If you want to do it, then cool, but just know that it is more a leap of faith than a matter of proper.

Leaps of faith can be fine in this hobby. Often, that is the best that we can do. I would still caution folks to not discount what really smart people say about your leap who have no vested interest in selling you products and a lifetime of biological and chemistry experience.

This is a leap of faith?

 

[Reefahholic]

I’m just looking at results. If my tank is improving with whatever method, you can tell me science and research say it shouldn’t work and I’m inadvertently doing something else that’s really the reason, but it doesn’t detract from the results and that’s my ultimate goal. Methods get refined over time and RM is no exception.

They wanna apply the “science” and “peer reviewed paper” standard to Reef Moonshiner’s, but nothing else in the hobby.

 

[Reefahholic]

Plenty of testimonies here showing it’s effective.

At this point I think it’s time to stop talking, and we’ll put Moonshiners/OCEAMO to the test. I will pick 2 other Moonshiner’s to send ICP-MS against Jda, rtpary, and Miami Reef. Let’s let the chemistry do the talking from this point forward.

 

[Mattiejay6]

@jda



forgive my crude photo, my lights are off and had to use a flashlight. However your above post is about PC Rainbow.I’d like to submit mine..

 

[Reefahholic]

@jda



forgive my crude photo, my lights are off and had to use a flashlight. However your above post is about PC Rainbow.I’d like to submit mine..

Nice growth structure.

 

[Mattiejay6]

Nice growth structure.

i like my NSW Colors too

 

[Reefahholic]

i like my NSW Colors too

Here’s a small frag I had on the bottom of the tank. Probably like 15K lighting. Did not realize it was a PC rainbow until recently. Mother was sold as a Red Planet. It’s a nice coral. The piece that is up high under the Halide is bright red. Down lower they get the rainbow colors.

This little frag below was starting to develop the more rainbow coloration before I gave it away as a freebie.

 

[Reefahholic]

@jda



forgive my crude photo, my lights are off and had to use a flashlight. However your above post is about PC Rainbow.I’d like to submit mine..

I wouldn’t move it from there. It’s getting that really nice yellow coloration. I’m thinking your probably in 250 par down there. The one I have on the bottom was getting really yellow when I had it more in the shade 250 par or so. The one in 300 is the pic with the little frag. The mother is up top and bright red/pink color. No yellow or green tones at all. Only at the base when it’s shaded. Seems to grow pretty good in 300. Maybe even faster than the one I have in 364-415 par. I lied, just looked at my par map and the one on the bottom with the little frag is in 284 par.