Polythoa toxic?

[tbrown]

How did u take em off the rock?

I didn't. They're on the sand, the glass, and they're spreading to the rest of the rock.

I would say, if you keep them to put them on an island and be prepared to remove stray polyps. It's interesting because palys and zoas don't "walk" like anemones and mushrooms, but I have one that is slowly crawling up my glass. Like I said, keep an eye on them and don't let them get out of hand. That's probably the biggest concern with these particular palys that I hear from reefers. Like @homer1475 said, people tend to talk a lot about the palytoxin but finding someone that has had more than a mild reaction is very rare. News tends to blow things out of perspective, it's how they make their money. I'm not a good example... I handle my corals with my bare hands - but I always wash really good before and after my hands are in the tank.

 

[brandon429]

Palytoxin fear, based on hobby years active for the public:

1995-1998
I read about that in National Geographic. Cool. I own fifteen hundred heads of brown palys. ponders to self during work: if I rub a toothpick fashioned into a dart on one and make a mini bow, would it be possible to…


1998-2004
palytoxin? Cool. I read about that ten years ago once, still owns 1500 head takes no precaution, everyone you know in reefing circles and in every post on the Internet. We recommend palys to every new reefer on the planet because you can’t kill them by mixing your salt directly in the ro water aquarium with palys present.


2004-2010
palytoxin shmalytoxin

2010-2014

someone finds 1994 nat geo article puts it on Reddit, a smoldering begins. Redditors look at their jbj picotopes, see the posted article where lemurs were darted and killed and eaten with this potent exudate, murmurs of concern circulate


2014-2017
most forms of tingling, nausea general malaise from aquarium owners are blamed on palytoxin as hospitals emerge with -biological specialists- which means an anesthesiologist owns a reef tank and subs in a fitting diagnosis where consulted.

2018 red lining, intolerances peak. Hundreds of completely confirmed and not debated medical diagnostics confirm the sheer risk associated with owning palys or even cleaning a tank with palys, looking back in hindsight ten thousand former paly owners recall an undiagnosed NDE back in the late nineties and realize it was palytoxin the whole time.

if I summarize 2018 to now it will be so offensive rtr might lose viewers so I’ll just say palys are bad. As of now they’re bad, forecasts for 2030 aren’t looking up.

all former and current LFS owners wonder how they lived this long heaving so many frags of paly back and forth without gloves, getting splashed, since 1994. Tons of online studies show reasons for total fear regarding just that one picture on post one

but in 94 we’d have fragged them, called it a day and not even wash hands. Not being given a reason to fear has interesting side effects too.

 

[Brady4000]

If I am sold bleach, it comes with a warning label. Shoot I bought a holly Steven nelly the other day (plant) and it said berries are toxic to humans.

Was I buying bleach to drink it? No... can I use it to distilled water if I know what I am doing.. yea... shoot well if I can drink it let’s take the warning label off... right?

NO, sorry if a 15 year old is buying zoas, or really anything that can hurt him/her it should come with a warning label. Because at 15, I could definitely see myself doing this If not told otherwise.

stupid reefer who actually boiled his rock, causing the toxin to become airborne.

 

[homer1475]

Nope sorry, don't agree.

Guess I grew up in a time when we didn't have to protect the stupid from themselves.

 

[Brady4000]

Nope sorry, don't agree.

Guess I grew up in a time when we didn't have to protect the stupid from themselves.

Lol so no labels, copy. Must be older than me. I grew up with labels.

 

[Sharkbait19]

Just keep the palys isolated and they'll grow into a beautiful colony. If they grow onto other corals or rockwork, remove them by either chemical means or by carefully scraping the polyps off. Always wear a mask, goggles, and gloves, and work with them in an aerated area. I've had to remove invasive palys and I was just very careful. Other than being fast growers, however, they make beautiful corals.

 

[homer1475]

I'm not saying no labels. Heck I want to be warned if something can hurt me if I intend to use it in any other way then it was intended for use(your bleach analogy: common sense says to not drink a cleaning fluid).

I'm talking about stupid labels. Like your coffee is hot that was just brewed. I don't need to be warned against that, it's common sense.

 

[Brady4000]

I'm talking about stupid labels. Like your coffee is hot that was just brewed. I don't need to be warned against that, it's common sense.

Lol now your going to get my fired up... yea I hate those labels and it rubs me wrong, because I know someone, somewhere sued someone and got rich for a hot cup of coffee.

I guess where we disagree is that coral toxicity isn’t common sense. But to each their own.

 

[brandon429]

The way I see it, purely my opinion is all marine wet and poky materials carry a specialized infection risk elevated above freshwater keeping exposures and habits. I never separated palys out of the general concern group, handle all marine mass with the awareness that specialized bacteria can hitchhike. I’d be equally concerned if a drop of tank water hit me in the eye same as if I dropped a paly frag, it hits counter, and a drop directly from its surface is thrown up into the eye, equal concern.

 

[Brady4000]

if I dropped a paly frag, it hits counter, and a drop directly from its surface is thrown up into the eye, equal concern.

Lol, I would freak. There would be some eye washing going on like crazy. Doing the whole 10 min rinse etc.

I don’t think I would do that for tank water. Might be a wait and see. But yea I would be concerned, just not crazy concerned, like I would be if a paly “thrown up into the eye” haha

 

[Sharkbait19]

If I got some in my eye, I'd probably wash it like crazy then have someone rush me to Urgent Care. I would literally freak out lol

 

[brandon429]

I 100% did freak lol it was a paly that got me. Tap water rinsed so long it felt like a day at the swimming pool in ‘87 again. I do not know if the redness was that or the palytoxin


at least in the time of panic I gave equal credence of potential eye loss to both monerans and long chain molecules.

 

[Lex_510]

Just keep the palys isolated and they'll grow into a beautiful colony. If they grow onto other corals or rockwork, remove them by either chemical means or by carefully scraping the polyps off. Always wear a mask, goggles, and gloves, and work with them in an aerated area. I've had to remove invasive palys and I was just very careful. Other than being fast growers, however, they make beautiful corals.

Do you scrap at the foot? To get it off the rock

 

[Sharkbait19]

Yes, get a razor underneath the foot end scrape. Glue over so it doesn’t easily come back.

 

[Brady4000]

I have coral scissors, makes cutting them underwater easier. You can Amazon search coral fragging kit. But if you don’t get the whole foot it can and will grow back.

 

[tbrown]

I'm not saying no labels. Heck I want to be warned if something can hurt me if I intend to use it in any other way then it was intended for use(your bleach analogy: common sense says to not drink a cleaning fluid).

I'm talking about stupid labels. Like your coffee is hot that was just brewed. I don't need to be warned against that, it's common sense.

So you agree with or don't agree with the label on the side of the lawnmower that says don't stick your hand or foot under it while it's running? Cause that one is kinda my favorite... Just saying.

 

[tbrown]

Lol now your going to get my fired up... yea I hate those labels and it rubs me wrong, because I know someone, somewhere sued someone and got rich for a hot cup of coffee.

I guess where we disagree is that coral toxicity isn’t common sense. But to each their own.

However, with that being said aren't we, as responsible pet owners (I kinda feel like corals are pets) supposed to research BEFORE we make a purchase - especially a living one? Again, common sense aside, it's the pet owners responsibility to do their homework. But, I do agree that the LFS should ask the purchaser if they understand the risks associated with the purchase.

Maybe we should put warning signs on pitbulls explaining that there is a really high risk that your face could get ripped off since pitbulls are known to be super aggressive. Actually, on second thought, we should just tell people to research what they're buying before they buy it.

 

[Brian_68]

Perhaps years ago when people did not talk about it they just got extremely ill and chalked it up to the flu for 2 weeks instead. I had a similar rock and just ending up getting rid of it so I did not have to worry, they just are not nice looking compared to many other options.

 

[Brady4000]

However, with that being said aren't we, as responsible pet owners (I kinda feel like corals are pets) supposed to research BEFORE we make a purchase - especially a living one? Again, common sense aside, it's the pet owners responsibility to do their homework. But, I do agree that the LFS should ask the purchaser if they understand the risks associated with the purchase.

Maybe we should put warning signs on pitbulls explaining that there is a really high risk that your face could get ripped off since pitbulls are known to be super aggressive. Actually, on second thought, we should just tell people to research what they're buying before they buy it.

 

[gentlefish]

I do not support the noting of “stupid” reefer. It’s a brother to our hobby. We need to learn. That is what this forum is about. Some things are good some are bad. Best to learn and make up one owns mind.