Really Need Cyano Help

[Waffen06]

Hi all have a reefer 250 and a nuvo 20 and both are having identical issues. I started getting cyano in the reefer a couple months ago and cyano in the nuvo last month. I have tried 2-3 day black outs, works great but it comes back in a couple days. I do 1-2 water changes a week trying to combat it. Ive tries dosing 1ml per 10 gal peroxide twice a day and it doesnt really help. Ive tried chemiclean twice on both tanks takes care about 80% and again comes back.
My rodi reads 0 on two different meters, tested phosphates and have no detectable color on my test. Nitrates read under 5. It possible the cyano is using all the phosphates? I do not run or dose anything, should I try running phosban or get some cheato for my sump? Up for any other ideas as the wife is really starting to complain.

 

[HuduVudu]

Gas exchange and biodiversity are the problems that cause blooms of cyano.

 

[brandon429]

the nuvo 20 will be easy to handle, any nano reef can just be deep cleaned and have most of the battle fixed.

rinsed sand or bottom zone, and new water is why

the params that are claimed to be out of whack will match what a new bag mix equates to, and they're all acceptable reef ranges. whatever salt you are using, we'd just rip clean the system.

we have about 150 of these jobs in one thread if handy to see, most wont consider doing the work though they want a bottled approach.


but if you want a clean reef, we know how to take it apart, clean it, skip cycle it back to like new then see if anything comes back


it usually does not

and if it does its in the 1%

*everyone has a way no doubt, that's the fun of reefing. we get to vy for best options and techniques

we have 150 of these already completed, the recommend comes from a strong pool of not invaded 20 gallon setups.

here is the patterned succession:

1. will not consider a rip clean
2. tries X and Y and Z alternatives
3. still invaded
4. considers a rip clean, searches out some for follow up
5. runs rip clean from lack of better alternative and does not
ever wait that long again. its the universal nano reef cheat.

largest rip cleans on file: 200 gallon system. and Jons 120 gallon system but he did it five times over lol to test the boundaries of rip cleaning. 5x at 120 new gallon of water each time, the most thorough test Ive seen in all of reefing.

his reef went through literal storm mode and came out clean and sharp and full of coralline and not. one. invader. in the whole system.

 

[Waffen06]

the nuvo 20 will be easy to handle, any nano reef can just be deep cleaned and have most of the battle fixed.

rinsed sand or bottom zone, and new water is why

the params that are claimed to be out of whack will match what a new bag mix equates to, and they're all acceptable reef ranges. whatever salt you are using, we'd just rip clean the system.

we have about 150 of these jobs in one thread if handy to see, most wont consider doing the work though they want a bottled approach.


but if you want a clean reef, we know how to take it apart, clean it, skip cycle it back to like new then see if anything comes back


it usually does not

and if it does its in the 1%

*everyone has a way no doubt, that's the fun of reefing. we get to vy for best options and techniques

we have 150 of these already completed, the recommend comes from a strong pool of not invaded 20 gallon setups.

here is the patterned succession:

1. will not consider a rip clean
2. tries X and Y and Z alternatives
3. still invaded
4. considers a rip clean, searches out some for follow up
5. runs rip clean from lack of better alternative and does not
ever wait that long again. its the universal nano reef cheat.

largest rip cleans on file: 200 gallon system. and Jons 120 gallon system but he did it five times over lol to test the boundaries of rip cleaning. 5x at 120 new gallon of water each time, the most thorough test Ive seen in all of reefing.

his reef went through literal storm mode and came out clean and sharp and full of coralline and not. one. invader. in the whole system.

My nuvo I did pull the rock and scrub it in tank water, also siphoned the sand but hate to tear down as I have a goby/shrimp pair but might try it first.

My reefer I have not done a tear down but it got brand new sand and moved the rock over from an existing tank earlier this year. Are you saying most of my problems are sitting in my sandbed?

 

[brandon429]

its the totality of the job not just the sandbed. Ill link our work for insp

by cleaning top to bottom and then all new water (plus light re ramping that's how we avoid bleaching in sps systems fully cleaned) we simply cover all the bases.

its why we didn't take nutrient measures or ID invaders here. just bam bam bam for any tank small enough to be worked. helpful ace in the hole lol if legits don't pan out.

even if your strain is highly selected and grows back, you now have:

no organic stores to house, feed and insulate it. Less to feed on

total access to cleaning the system, forcing it out, without another rip clean a long time. you impart no clouding to this system during the surgery, this aligns you for future access and it doesn't wreck your setup or recycle it. starting clean and then having an invasion slightly come back means whatever you apply that is legit, works on less invasion mass. if inspection agrees/messaging people who tried the method here below then these ratios are in play:

-90% would call it one pass fix lucky outcome it simply runs months and months as norm, their invasion might have been common diatoms or cyano but it went away/

8% require touchup work, hand spot siphoning to keep some better-suited invasions out. could be dinos, or very well adapted cyano or spirulina strains.

2% are Froggers or BCarl77 and Andrewreefer who after cleaning have comeback, likely true dinos which really any method is a toss up.

we have a 90% happy outcome ratio and a 100% not a single tank lost ratio. Frogger and BCarl and Andrew all had a clean system sharp clean sand and happy corals, they just had dino come back plain as that.

 

[brandon429]

Official Sand Rinse and Tank Transfer thread

I am fairly worried about moving my freshwater setup as it is fairly overstocked (reduces aggression as no one fish gets singled out). I did fail to think about the toxicity of nitrite on top of ammonia toxicity... Here is my plan for the cichlid tank. I have gradually reduced my pH from 8.2 to...

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[KrisReef]

^^ What he said ^^

 

[Uncle99]

I find Cyano comes when nutrients are out of balance.
You have 5ppm nitrate, but zero phosphate.
Bring phosphate up to 0.02-0.05ppm and keep in there.
Blow off and take out as much as possible.
Disrupt the sand bed.
Replace filter socks 4-5 hours after.
Repeat weekly.
Takes about three weeks, but you should see a reduction in cyano in less than 5.

 

[Waffen06]

@brandon429 I dont know if I did something wrong but I removed all my rock into one container. Moved coral and single shrimp/fish to another. I removed 100% of my sand and rinsed it about 20 times till it rinsed clear and placed back in the tank. I scrubbed all the rocked, rinsed with new saltwater and placed it back. Then added the corals/fish back. Tank looked great (this was last Saturday, today now there is cyano starting back on the sand and covering 2 rocks.. what do I do?

 

[reefiniteasy]

After three months of battling green cyano on my sand bed and rocks (siphoning, water changes, natural bacteria products, etc) I decided to finally just use ChemiClean. Worked great. Was nervous at the beginning, but wouldn’t hesitate to do it again.

Here is my experience.

Dreaded green cyano and my experience with ChemiClean

My BioCube has come a long way. It’s gone through one move and a change in rockscape. I never had an “ugly stage” at the beginning. Not sure why. Well it took over a year and a half for that ugly stage to hit. In a period of 3 weeks I changed my light, rockscape and a couple of other things and...

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[Waffen06]

After three months of battling green cyano on my sand bed and rocks (siphoning, water changes, natural bacteria products, etc) I decided to finally just use ChemiClean. Worked great. Was nervous at the beginning, but wouldn’t hesitate to do it again.

Here is my experience.

Dreaded green cyano and my experience with ChemiClean

My BioCube has come a long way. It’s gone through one move and a change in rockscape. I never had an “ugly stage” at the beginning. Not sure why. Well it took over a year and a half for that ugly stage to hit. In a period of 3 weeks I changed my light, rockscape and a couple of other things and...

www.reef2reef.com

Ive ran chemiclean on the tank on two separate occasions. It always came back after a week or so

 

[brandon429]

It could be an aggressive strain, easier to control now in the reset condition, dont let it amass.

as you read about uv lights, cheap pond sterilizers off Amazon those are on the continuum of options for assertive strains, you’ve already treated with meds as a legit run.

as of now you’d directly siphon that up, if you take a little sand in the repeat gardening then rinse it and put it back in.



the point of a deep clean prep is so that basic cleaning access doesnt cause clouding and further invasion in the tank. Sometimes these growths abate with a few hand guidings. Some require stepped up uv if a few dedicated topical removers dont help.


as you can see, manual cleaning is the hardest work but safest move. All other forms of meds have a chance to affect corals. But deep cleaning as a backup until a suppressor can be found is what we fall back on, disallowing the invasion. Nice job on the assertive initial run, you should reduce light levels overall in my opinion, then back up in ten days. A cloudy long week does affect some growback organisms, it ranges. These are harmless options to try is the main certainty, reducing light and being clean is ok for any reef, challenged or not. Changing the stasis and current levels in the tank but not to lethal levels + two or three topical guiding removals is just right this coming week I can’t wait to watch and see how it unfolds, subbed.


we will link this thread in the sand rinse thread soon regardless of the outcome, thank you for contributing to the rinse data base with updates. Want to track how you use the clean condition to win back the ground.

**now that you are clean, consider a legit bag of wiggling pods from ipsf or Algen or other sites true gammarid and mixed strains refugium pods, that is making good use for the cleaned tank and they predate matted growths


sand cleaning helps the majority in one pass, but for these strong strains that’s the real fun, that you got two weeks fully hands off till some selection worked back in we can use as a good sign

 

[brandon429]

I’ll add this

as we see a fairly standard two week rebound for your growth it’s no reason to alter course with coral feeding, spot feeding.


one of the trade offs of bed cleaning is all the new clean spaces, we get to pack in with fresh feed. what passes through corals will be eventual waste we w clean again one day, hopefully long after this invasion. The growth has beaten a rip clean, and chemi clean, so starving corals isnt going to help any might as well keep fish and corals happy as we battle for preventatives, not the clean condition. The clean condition can be willed with a spot clean and rock lift out, spritz w peroxide then rinse with sw and set back.


you can specifically use the post rip clean condition to change your feed input, by increasing it and aiming it right at corals after teasing out feeder tentacles with one drop of feed, fifteen minutes before a spot feeding run. You earned all that clean space to exercise the system with feed, as you are removing the extra feed with in/out water change reps, slide over and siphon guide the waste a few times I’m genuinely watching to see how it does. We want these tough jobs on file, nice one. Nice pain strain.