Tough question

[Rover]

I personally used Cupramine to treat ich when I caught it. And I will be using it again to treat for ich starting today, because I must of bungled my QT procedures as the tank caught it again!

Cupramine certainly worked, and while I had one casualty during treatment I'm not sure I can attribute to the cupramine so much as towards that particular fish being very far gone by the time I caught I had ich.

Yeah, I started up with a 65g then decided to make it in a qt tank. About that, I’ve been researching prophylactic treatments but cupramine spells too harsh for prevention in my mind so I’ve been thinking of Paraguard. I hope it’s true to description. I am about to purchase some. Did you ever use it?

 

[Subsea]

@Nyx101


What does prophylactic mean to you? It is too vague for me.

A healthy immune systems is the best prophylactic treatment that I know of.


Bring “Mile High Reefer” into this conversation so we can all learn.

 

[Nyx101]

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What does prophylactic mean to you? It is too vague for me.

A healthy immune systems is the best prophylactic treatment that I know of.


Bring “Mile High Reefer” into this conversation so we can all learn.

He is a YouTuber named Scott Anderson with quite a popular channel as well as amazing display. Basically aft

@Nyx101


What does prophylactic mean to you? It is too vague for me.

A healthy immune systems is the best prophylactic treatment that I know of.


Bring “Mile High Reefer” into this conversation so we can all learn.

He’s quite a popular Youtuber named Scott Anderson. He has an amazing display tank of many tangs. Basically after running into a few cases of marine velvet and ick he decided on preventive treatment rather than simple observation. Prophylactic treatment is preventive treatment. He doses cupramine and prazipro in his qt tank for all new fish that are not overly sensitive to it. He slowly increases dosage till it reaches the therapeutic (recommended) level. By doing this he’s been making sure not to introduce pathogens in his display tank.

( sorry my phone got out of hand...)

 

[Subsea]

If that is what you consider a healthy system, so be it. I am far removed from that reality.

Do you consider smallpox vaccine to be an extreme pathogen. Should we discontinue immunizations of pathogens to strengthen immune systems.

 

[Nyx101]

If that is what you consider a healthy system, so be it. I am far removed from that reality.

Well in an ideal world all fish stores & providers would be mindful of the health of their fish. Adding a new fish can be a big gamble to make in an established & well populated system.

 

[Nyx101]

If that is what you consider a healthy system, so be it. I am far removed from that reality.

Do you consider smallpox vaccine to be an extreme pathogen. Should we discontinue immunizations of pathogens to strengthen immune systems.

I get your point. Though smallpox is not dangerous on kids but is on adults and Zona sufferers have it pretty hard. I am all for vaccination but it is a stretch to compare ick to smallpox. I get you’ve been in the hobby for a long time, ever ran into marine velvet?

 

[Subsea]

@Nyx101
You expressed concerns with the use of algae filters. I suggest you view BRSTV videos on algae filtration. I grow seaweed commercially for 30 years. If you have specific questions, I may be able to shed some light on the subject. @AlgaeBarn & @SantaMonica are both very knowledgeable about algae filtration, if you are interested in natural filtration techniques.



https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/wet-salty-for-christmas-2017.428100/

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/2...m-on-top-with-30g-ecosystem-mud-macro.421526/

 

[Subsea]

I get your point. Though smallpox is not dangerous on kids but is on adults and Zona sufferers have it pretty hard. I am all for vaccination but it is a stretch to compare ick to smallpox. I get you’ve been in the hobby for a long time, ever ran into marine velvet?

I have not experienced marine velvet. I have seen numerous threads on the subject.

The point to be made is that the fishes immune system is the best defense against infection, disease or pathogens. Stress is the number one killer of fish as it weakens there auto immune system. If you think cooper or other medications in a sterile quarantine tank is not stressful to a fish, then you should read all of the treads in which quarantined fish die.

 

[Nyx101]

I have not experienced marine velvet. I have seen numerous threads on the subject.

The point to be made is that the fishes immune system is the best defense against infection, disease or pathogens. Stress is the number one killer of fish as it weakens there auto immune system. If you think cooper or other medications in a sterile quarantine tank is not stressful to a fish, then you should read all of the treads in which quarantined fish die.

It all comes down to opinion. I’ve been wondering if Paraguard is a good alternative to copper to prevent ick & marine velvet. I am not willing to take the chance of infecting an otherwise healthy system. It would certainly be cheaper and easier not to treat my qt though.

 

[Subsea]

After you mentioned it, I googled marine velvet and went to the first link. In the last paragraph, the article mentions the point “develope some lasting immunity to the disease”. You might consider this as a smallpox vaccine. @Paul B figured this out more than 40 years ago.

https://m.liveaquaria.com/article/84/?aid=84

[If Amyloodinium does strike your tank, you will want to make sure that the water quality and nutrition are at the highest possible levels. Do everything possible to reduce the stress level of your fish to allow their immune systems to fight off this disease. There is evidence that fish that contract Amyloodinium and recover develop some lasting immunity to the disease.]

 

[Nyx101]

After you mentioned it, I googled marine velvet and went to the first link. In the last paragraph, the article mentions the point “develope some lasting immunity to the disease”. You might consider this as a smallpox vaccine. @Paul B figured this out more than 40 years ago.

https://m.liveaquaria.com/article/84/?aid=84

[If Amyloodinium does strike your tank, you will want to make sure that the water quality and nutrition are at the highest possible levels. Do everything possible to reduce the stress level of your fish to allow their immune systems to fight off this disease. There is evidence that fish that contract Amyloodinium and recover develop some lasting immunity to the disease.]

Two schools of thought. To me bringing a new fish home and putting it in a thriving system is still a gamble. Wishful thinking would have me not undergo the process of qt but I have invested in two separate systems for that very purpose. Else my pockets would feel heavier. I don’t leave much to chance. I spoke to a lfs worker recently who did encounter marine velvet, he lost all of his fish within two weeks and had to start over. One way or the other it does come down to choice. No right or wrong.

 

[Subsea]

It all comes down to opinion. I’ve been wondering if Paraguard is a good alternative to copper to prevent ick & marine velvet. I am not willing to take the chance of infecting an otherwise healthy system. It would certainly be cheaper and easier not to treat my qt though.

Quarantine does not require harsh medications.

With respect to ich management, early research papers read that most dormat cyst would incubate in 14 day. Fourteen days has increased to 28 days and now 56 days quarantine is being proposed. I have read the papers. Focus on the use of the word “most” will hatch. It only takes “two to tango”. If you think that you can kill all the nasties, good luck.