0 phosphate/nitrate but abundant algae

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So i understand that the presence of algae will likely give the 0 readings i'm getting for both (tested with salifert, red sea pro and additional Milwaukee checker for phos) but how do i go about tackling the algae if can't measure these? For example i recently tried lananthum chloride but stopped after monti plates took a turn for the worse. I also believe my phosphate is being leached from my rock which is feeding the algae so how can i pull phosphate out of the rock without dropping it too low for coral etc??

I am just starting on dosing vibrant using the twice a week method for the amount of algae i am dealing with. If this starts to kill the algae i assume i will then get readings for both and should be able to tune in some control?

Pictures to illustrate the algae issue i'm dealing with

DSC01466 by chris wagg, on Flickr
DSC01468 by chris wagg, on Flickr
DSC01470 by chris wagg, on Flickr
 
holy cow!!!! what is your CUC to battle as your figure out the issue?
 
I'm lite on CUC at the moment, once i've tried vibrant and potentially fluconazole then i will add to it. Have about 8 turbo and trocus snails in total and two conches.

So i wondered if something else was feeding the algae so i got a triton ICP test done. The algae is almost exclusively on the rock, very little on back wall which is why i think the rock is leaching.

 
So i understand that the presence of algae will likely give the 0 readings i'm getting for both (tested with salifert, red sea pro and additional Milwaukee checker for phos) but how do i go about tackling the algae if can't measure these? For example i recently tried lananthum chloride but stopped after monti plates took a turn for the worse. I also believe my phosphate is being leached from my rock which is feeding the algae so how can i pull phosphate out of the rock without dropping it too low for coral etc??

I am just starting on dosing vibrant using the twice a week method for the amount of algae i am dealing with. If this starts to kill the algae i assume i will then get readings for both and should be able to tune in some control?

Pictures to illustrate the algae issue i'm dealing with

DSC01466 by chris wagg, on Flickr
DSC01468 by chris wagg, on Flickr
DSC01470 by chris wagg, on Flickr

I am going to speculate that the current condition of the aquarium in the photos did not happen overnight. This is relevant because a good maintenance regime is just as important as nitrate and phosphate levels. Small amounts of algae not noticed or ignored until they cover the entire aqua scape might indicate possible areas for upgrading maintenance practices.

Your first step is to identify what is growing. More than one species can be giving you problems here. Then ask the forum specifically about removing a particular species of algae. There is a forum on R2R devoted to this subject.

I would also get @brandon429 to suggest a possible course of action, or at least a way how to interrogate your system for likely problems. There are many folks on this forum that can help and will likely chime in when you present them with what species you want to eradicate.
 
Your right this hasn't happened overnight - progressed over the period of about 1 year. I have times when i'm not on top of tank maintenance and it has suffered. I tried to control the tank nutrients using an algae scrubber but never really got it dialled in, after i took it offline i didn't have any form of phosphate removal for a long period which is why i think it's all bound up in the rock.

I believe i am dealing with Calupera Prolifera, Bryopsis and hair algae.
 
I'd add some grazers (lawnmower blennie, foxface), start doing regular water changes and be patient.
 
I would try and remove as much as possible manually in addition to what you are doing. It may be at the point where pulling rocks out and scrubbing will help.

I would agree, see if you can borrow a grazer. I don't think your gonna see any readable levels till most of it is gone.

Depend on the number of corals, one option is to move them to a QT and work on the display .That way you wont stress them out as much by something like GFO/LC/Peroxide etc.
 
I would say start with your basics and do a 72 hour complete black out followed with a good old fashion siphoning. Followed by weekly water changes vacuuming the substrate very well and don’t forget to blow the rocks with a turkey baster. If you have a sump run some kind of filter sock and chance it every day or so. But even if you’re not set up for filter socks rig something up

Good luck and keep us posted
Matt
 
I have an algae blenny, fat and happy!

I do need to siphon as there is quite a lot of accumulated detritus in one corner in particular. I do blast the rocks and use filter floss under one of the baffles.

Not keen on taking rocks out as I have quite a few well encrusted corals I would be worried about upsetting.
 
I have an algae blenny, fat and happy!

I do need to siphon as there is quite a lot of accumulated detritus in one corner in particular. I do blast the rocks and use filter floss under one of the baffles.

Not keen on taking rocks out as I have quite a few well encrusted corals I would be worried about upsetting.
Keep that up and do weekly water changes and you will see a slow improvement. Remember nothing good happens fast in a reef tank.

Happy reefing
Matt
 
Third dose of vibrant dosed. Not seeing any difference yet but i know it takes a while. Picture to follow.
 
I have an algae blenny, fat and happy!

I do need to siphon as there is quite a lot of accumulated detritus in one corner in particular. I do blast the rocks and use filter floss under one of the baffles.

Not keen on taking rocks out as I have quite a few well encrusted corals I would be worried about upsetting.
I use to use filter floss. Then went to two 220 micron fiber filter socks. Not the nylon. Unbelievable how much they collect. My tank really cleaned up. Have to change them twice week.
 
The algae is consuming the NO3/PO4 as soon they're detectable. Personally for me, I would reboot the tank and scrub down the rocks. Second choice would be to double down and get some nice macro algae and make it into a natural algae tank.
 
Every coral in the tank above can sit out in the air for 30 mins + and not die, ergo we have a way to fix this tank if you are willing to force clean it back into shape, no harm comes to the coral only the algae.

we would keep them misted or in a holding container of course, but they can take air emersion if required/ we have video of this being done several times/trust :)

If you want it fixed, the tank must be disassembled then cleaned in a certain manner... put back without algae, all detritus stores removed, and then in the clean condition only we would start flucoazole. Every action advised for controlling algae here is great, but it comes after your weekend of harsh work for having not worked so far, that's the real balance. you make the algae go away over the course of two days tank redo, perfectly algae free.

now you have a reset tank using all the same corals, fish and substrate. work clean from there

I would love the challenge of restoring this by thread... the tank is 100% eutrophic but by this weekend can be made oligotrophic by sheer will. For five mos after that you'll be hand guiding regrowth out, no one off effort undoes years of plant gain. But the initial fix will make the tank look and run 90% better and each tuft of algae is retaining detritus for onsite feed degradation which is why your testers don't matter here. eutrophic conditions will recirculate the rot all around your tank as some action kills off the algae and you leave it to slowly die

but to make this tank clean, kill the algae and export it, in the same run. stop the cycle of detritus castings everywhere is the best advice. an intercept using skip cycle cleaning already done in threads combining out to +100 pages

You'll have to choose when you are ready to be algae free, then we can.

It starts with making one single test rock comply before you do the whole tank. This is where you learn it's regrowth or death characters based on how you would garden it back into shape. its a time waster to subject your whole tank to an experiment. If you want to dose something to the water, test it in a 5 gal bucket/same dilution on a test rock before you act on the main tank.

The #1 thing that should occur is a pre modeled kill, and then when you apply it to the whole tank you know what to expect.


No test kits are needed to fix this tank only will to copy the work already done in gha fix threads

If your normal reef lighting is 10k/ white with hardly any blues like the pics above that is a huge contributor, not a param. Are your lights normally that white or is it adjusted for pictures

when your tank is fixed, the current lighting intensity needs to drop 40% and ramp back up, if ever, based on algae regrowth, over the next half year. Your current lighting is in excess, there are no shade points. all points get 100% sun, that's likely about 70% of your cause. every coral in there will still continue on if your lighting is reduced just under half then ramped up, they do not require the current levels that feed the algae too.

I believe you have zero phosphate issues from the rock as causative. params or things you measure didn't cause this, only allowance. Disallowance is the cure, starting with test rock assessment so your actual variables are considered before the big job is ran
 
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The algae is consuming the NO3/PO4 as soon they're detectable. Personally for me, I would reboot the tank and scrub down the rocks. Second choice would be to double down and get some nice macro algae and make it into a natural algae tank.
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