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Hi all,

So I currently have a 75 gallon african cichlid mbuna tank, and am in the beginning stages of putting together a 10 gallon freshwater nano tank over the next couple of weeks.

After I finish the nano tank, I really want to focus on a long-term project and am hoping to set up a 125 gallon reef tank. Corals included.

I am in the very beginning stages of researching as this would be my first saltwater tank.

I am planning to take months to plan and save the $ for this but I want to get ahead with my ideas for the tank now.

What corals?

What invertebrates?

What fish?

Just some suggestions that I can do research on. If you had the option to completely start from scratch, what would you want in your tank?

Thanks,

Tom
 
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Hi, Tom - and welcome to Reef2Reef!

For a tank like that, you've got plenty of options, from smaller tangs to gobies, from zoanthids to Acropora. What kind of lighting and flow are you planning on? That'll help to define the types of corals that might thrive there, and which fish will be happy.

I happen to like more, smaller fish in a tank, by and large - but I also enjoy having some of the taller "billboard" fish, such as angelfish and tangs - the iconic fish that just shout "reef".

A few favorites:

Shrimp gobies; several different varieties, sizes and price ranges, from hi-fin red-banded gobies and yellow watchmen to pink-striped aurora gobies, these guys will often pair up with a pistol shrimp to display a charming partnership.

Neon gobies and their kin; tiny analogues of the Pacific's cleaner wrasses, these guys usually do well in aquariums, and will solicit other fish to be cleaned of parasites. (They _don't_ eat ich, and can die from it just as easily as any other fish - quarantine everybody!)

Blennies; Tailspot, orange-spot, starry or lawnmower blennies (there are more, _lots_ more!) will perch on the rocks, watching the world with a curious gaze. When they're hungry and motivated, they'll help clear up your algae. Midas blennies have the same comically curious look to their faces, but spend their time up in the water column, snatching passing plankton. Or flakes. Whatever.

Clownfish; (Nemo!) As tough as they come, most are jerks, but some are worse jerks than others. Ocellaris, percula and skunk clowns are generally pretty tolerable; tomatoes, clarkii and maroons can limit who lives next door.

Other damselfish; (Clownfish are a subset of damsels) Some are holy terrors, but some of the Chromis and Chrysiptera families can be spunky, sparky additions to a big tank. I have azures and Talbott's, and have had no trouble with either.

Royal grammas; these little sea-basses can be hermits, but as they gain confidence, they'll prowl close to the rockwork, glowing in magenta and yellow. If you acquire them small and simultaneously, they can form "harem" groups, a single male with one or more females. Don't worry if you spot them swimming upside-down under a rock, it's pretty normal for them.

Dartfish; they're cute, but the smaller ones (lookin' at you, firefish) won't tolerate others of their kind, except their chosen mate. Zebra darts and blue gudgeons will shoal below the surface, waiting for tasty morsels. These guys can _jump_. Make sure you've got a lid of some sort!

Tangs; exercise caution - these fish like to _move_. A smaller tang such as a kole or yellow will be happy, a regal blue, vlamingii, naso or sailfin may not have room to turn around when they grow up, and if a powderblue decides the space is to small, ain't _nobody_ gonna be happy. They'll be happy to help with algae, but may view blennies as competition to be driven away.

Wrasses; fairy and flasher wrasses will glide effortlessly above your rockwork in search of planktonic snacks. (Some fairies are more compatible than others, Evolved has an _excellent_ article and compatibility chart for the group, up in the "Articles" section.) Leopard wrasses and members of the Halichoeres genus will patrol closer to the rocks as a general rule, picking pests and 'pods. Some shrimp or other invertebrates may be in danger from larger members of the family, but you may find the risk worthwhile. If there's any group of fish more likely to jump than dartfish, it's probably wrasses.

Angelfish; some love 'em, some ... not so much. Most angels can pick on coral, some folks insist that they all will eventually, save a single genus. (Of the dwarf angels, most folks report success with flames and coral beauties, of the larger angels, regals get the nod - though they're considered a challenging fish to get started.) Angels of the genus Genicanthus are specialized plankton feeders, and there are few fish more beautiful than a female G. bellus or a Watanabe's angel. Being plankton feeders means they're unlikely to make your corals into hors'doeuvres.

There are an awful lot of fish I'm leaving out, and some of them are awesome - but the list above may offer a few hours diversion. Scroll through the listings at LiveAquaria. Their info is pretty good, regarding the size the fish grow to, the size of the tank they might be considered for, what they eat and who they may not get along with.

~Bruce
 
Hi, Tom - and welcome to Reef2Reef!

For a tank like that, you've got plenty of options, from smaller tangs to gobies, from zoanthids to Acropora. What kind of lighting and flow are you planning on? That'll help to define the types of corals that might thrive there, and which fish will be happy.

I happen to like more, smaller fish in a tank, by and large - but I also enjoy having some of the taller "billboard" fish, such as angelfish and tangs - the iconic fish that just shout "reef".

A few favorites:

Shrimp gobies; several different varieties, sizes and price ranges, from hi-fin red-banded gobies and yellow watchmen to pink-striped aurora gobies, these guys will often pair up with a pistol shrimp to display a charming partnership.

Neon gobies and their kin; tiny analogues of the Pacific's cleaner wrasses, these guys usually do well in aquariums, and will solicit other fish to be cleaned of parasites. (They _don't_ eat ich, and can die from it just as easily as any other fish - quarantine everybody!)

Blennies; Tailspot, orange-spot, starry or lawnmower blennies (there are more, _lots_ more!) will perch on the rocks, watching the world with a curious gaze. When they're hungry and motivated, they'll help clear up your algae. Midas blennies have the same comically curious look to their faces, but spend their time up in the water column, snatching passing plankton. Or flakes. Whatever.

Clownfish; (Nemo!) As tough as they come, most are jerks, but some are worse jerks than others. Ocellaris, percula and skunk clowns are generally pretty tolerable; tomatoes, clarkii and maroons can limit who lives next door.

Other damselfish; (Clownfish are a subset of damsels) Some are holy terrors, but some of the Chromis and Chrysiptera families can be spunky, sparky additions to a big tank. I have azures and Talbott's, and have had no trouble with either.

Royal grammas; these little sea-basses can be hermits, but as they gain confidence, they'll prowl close to the rockwork, glowing in magenta and yellow. If you acquire them small and simultaneously, they can form "harem" groups, a single male with one or more females. Don't worry if you spot them swimming upside-down under a rock, it's pretty normal for them.

Dartfish; they're cute, but the smaller ones (lookin' at you, firefish) won't tolerate others of their kind, except their chosen mate. Zebra darts and blue gudgeons will shoal below the surface, waiting for tasty morsels. These guys can _jump_. Make sure you've got a lid of some sort!

Tangs; exercise caution - these fish like to _move_. A smaller tang such as a kole or yellow will be happy, a regal blue, vlamingii, naso or sailfin may not have room to turn around when they grow up, and if a powderblue decides the space is to small, ain't _nobody_ gonna be happy. They'll be happy to help with algae, but may view blennies as competition to be driven away.

Wrasses; fairy and flasher wrasses will glide effortlessly above your rockwork in search of planktonic snacks. (Some fairies are more compatible than others, Evolved has an _excellent_ article and compatibility chart for the group, up in the "Articles" section.) Leopard wrasses and members of the Halichoeres genus will patrol closer to the rocks as a general rule, picking pests and 'pods. Some shrimp or other invertebrates may be in danger from larger members of the family, but you may find the risk worthwhile. If there's any group of fish more likely to jump than dartfish, it's probably wrasses.

Angelfish; some love 'em, some ... not so much. Most angels can pick on coral, some folks insist that they all will eventually, save a single genus. (Of the dwarf angels, most folks report success with flames and coral beauties, of the larger angels, regals get the nod - though they're considered a challenging fish to get started.) Angels of the genus Genicanthus are specialized plankton feeders, and there are few fish more beautiful than a female G. bellus or a Watanabe's angel. Being plankton feeders means they're unlikely to make your corals into hors'doeuvres.

There are an awful lot of fish I'm leaving out, and some of them are awesome - but the list above may offer a few hours diversion. Scroll through the listings at LiveAquaria. Their info is pretty good, regarding the size the fish grow to, the size of the tank they might be considered for, what they eat and who they may not get along with.

~Bruce

Hey Bruce,

Awesome response! Thanks. I am in the very very beginning stages of planning / researching right now. I'm open to any lighting or flow for the tank. Basically, I wanted to see what people would include in their tanks if they've started from scratch like I'm doing now.

I definitely want a goby and pistol shrimp combo. I think it's so cool how they co-exist. I definitely want a clownfish duo also if possible. I was looking at some designer clowns as possible fits for the tank.

Thanks a lot for the info!

Any suggestions on types of corals that are for beginners? Also, any suggestions on cleanup crews?

-Tom
 
Getting ready for work, but will address when I've more time!

~B.
Thanks!

One other question, how many fish can I keep in a 125? I know everyone has a different rule on this for different types of fish. Like African cichlids should be overstocked, some people suggest 1 inch per gallon, etc. What are the "rules" of SW stocking? I really like a lot of the fish you posted about and would love to incorporate a bunch.
 
it all depends what fish you pick.... i would choose 10-15 and than we could discuss here. i have 4 in 60 gallon now. there is definitely movement. planning to have 8 maybe 9 total. size of the fish matters. remember fish can/is territorial.
 
A pair of Ocellaris clowns ... I like the standard variety but you can spend more for designer Ocellaris.
A few flasher wrasses ... for the money you can't beat McCoskers, Carpenter and Yellowfin. There are other beautiful flashers for a lot more money if money is no object.
A goby/pistol shrimp pair. IME the tiger pistol shrimp is bolder and you will see more of him. I have a red banded pistol that I never see.

Those are my must haves.
 
A pair of Ocellaris clowns ... I like the standard variety but you can spend more for designer Ocellaris.
A few flasher wrasses ... for the money you can't beat McCoskers, Carpenter and Yellowfin. There are other beautiful flashers for a lot more money if money is no object.
A goby/pistol shrimp pair. IME the tiger pistol shrimp is bolder and you will see more of him. I have a red banded pistol that I never see.

Those are my must haves.

I'm leaning towards a pair of Premium Picasso. Any knowledge on them? Are they worth the extra cost?

Those wrasses you suggested are all beautiful. And I really like the tiger pistol shrimp. They look great. I'm still debating on my goby / pistol combo I'll want.
 
I'm leaning towards a pair of Premium Picasso. Any knowledge on them? Are they worth the extra cost?

Those wrasses you suggested are all beautiful. And I really like the tiger pistol shrimp. They look great. I'm still debating on my goby / pistol combo I'll want.
The Picasso is a Percula clown. Same temperment as the Ocellaris. It's worth the extra cost if you like it that much more, you have to answer that. Same basic fish other that the look.

Be sure to get a goby that does pair with the pistols. Many do not. Yellow watchman is nice. For more money I like the Dracula or High fin.
 
The Picasso is a Percula clown. Same temperment as the Ocellaris. It's worth the extra cost if you like it that much more, you have to answer that. Same basic fish other that the look.

Be sure to get a goby that does pair with the pistols. Many do not. Yellow watchman is nice. For more money I like the Dracula or High fin.

I like the yellow watchman a lot. However the dracula looks really cool also and would look awesome with the tiger shrimp.
 
I like the yellow watchman a lot. However the dracula looks really cool also and would look awesome with the tiger shrimp.
I think you've sold me on the dracula already. Lol
 
Thanks!

One other question, how many fish can I keep in a 125? I know everyone has a different rule on this for different types of fish. Like African cichlids should be overstocked, some people suggest 1 inch per gallon, etc. What are the "rules" of SW stocking? I really like a lot of the fish you posted about and would love to incorporate a bunch.

"The Rules" of saltwater stocking are a bit more nebulous than those of a mbuna tank. Most African cichlids are pretty similar in shape and temperament, but there simply isn't any equivalency to a Dracula goby vs. a lionfish - or even one inch of neon goby vs one inch of vlamingii tang. The best advice I've heard is to select a few "must-have" fish, build your tank around them - and then fill in slowly, testing frequently, observing your nutrient levels and fish behavior. One thing to be aware of, by the way, is that not every goby will pair with every shrimp - the high-fin red-band, for instance, prefers A. randalli. Make sure you're picking up the right shrimp for your goby!

Any suggestions on types of corals that are for beginners? Also, any suggestions on cleanup crews?

I've found most zoanthids and Palythoa relatively forgiving, along with Euphyllia (frogspawns, hammers, torches) and the candy-cane and trumpet corals. They'll put up with a lot. So will Pavona, and most mushrooms. Research corals before committing - some are aggressive stingers (Hydnophora comes to mind), and some can take over your rockwork (Xenia, Discosoma, some Palythoa). Some can be dangerously toxic - lookin' at Palythoa again, and palytoxin . . . and need to be handled with appropriate respect.

I bought snails and hermits in my Cleanup Crew, and welcomed the arrival of micro-brittle-stars, Stomatella snails, bristle and spaghetti worms and a tiny army of 'pods. My fave snails are Trochus for algae (I've no experience with turbos, some folks love 'em), Nassarius for leftover food and detritus, and Cerith for a mixture of both. Also loved having a fighting conch -- my Hallow'een hermit loved that guy too. (Urrp!)

~Bruce
 
"The Rules" of saltwater stocking are a bit more nebulous than those of a mbuna tank. Most African cichlids are pretty similar in shape and temperament, but there simply isn't any equivalency to a Dracula goby vs. a lionfish - or even one inch of neon goby vs one inch of vlamingii tang. The best advice I've heard is to select a few "must-have" fish, build your tank around them - and then fill in slowly, testing frequently, observing your nutrient levels and fish behavior. One thing to be aware of, by the way, is that not every goby will pair with every shrimp - the high-fin red-band, for instance, prefers A. randalli. Make sure you're picking up the right shrimp for your goby!



I've found most zoanthids and Palythoa relatively forgiving, along with Euphyllia (frogspawns, hammers, torches) and the candy-cane and trumpet corals. They'll put up with a lot. So will Pavona, and most mushrooms. Research corals before committing - some are aggressive stingers (Hydnophora comes to mind), and some can take over your rockwork (Xenia, Discosoma, some Palythoa). Some can be dangerously toxic - lookin' at Palythoa again, and palytoxin . . . and need to be handled with appropriate respect.

I bought snails and hermits in my Cleanup Crew, and welcomed the arrival of micro-brittle-stars, Stomatella snails, bristle and spaghetti worms and a tiny army of 'pods. My fave snails are Trochus for algae (I've no experience with turbos, some folks love 'em), Nassarius for leftover food and detritus, and Cerith for a mixture of both. Also loved having a fighting conch -- my Hallow'een hermit loved that guy too. (Urrp!)

~Bruce

Awesome, how large of a cleanup crew do I need? I'm reading that some people have like hundreds of critters lol.

Right now I believe I'm leaning towards 2 picasso clowns, 1 yellow tang, 1 kole tang, a yellow watchman goby, and a tiger pistol shrimp.

Still planning to pick out more but those have caught my eye. I'll be looking at some of the wrasses now too. Possibly some bluish fish also to contrast colors.
 
Reefcleaners.org has some good cleaner packages available. They are VERY generous with their snails. I would go with half the size they recommend. So get a 60g or 65g package.
 
There is another potential problem with a giant cleanup crew ...

A lot of folks will grab a whole bunch of cleaners and toss 'em into a new tank. With nothing much to "clean up", the hermits eat the snails, then drop away from starvation.

I prefer to grab a few at a time of something that will help with an issue that's presented itself. Got film algae? Pick up a few Trochus. Need the sandbed stirred a bit more than it is? Toss in a few Nassarius and maybe a fighting conch or two - perhaps a tiger-tail sea cucumber. Over time, the tank will find a balance, if you listen to it.

Your stocklist sounds doable - but consider adding the tangs late in your stocking. Yellows, especially, can (not always by any means, but sometimes...) become real sons of so-and-sos to other fish.

~Bruce
 
Reefcleaners.org has some good cleaner packages available. They are VERY generous with their snails. I would go with half the size they recommend. So get a 60g or 65g package.

That's what I've heard. To go half of what they suggest since they suggest a lot. That sounds about right then. And I believe you can customize what you get which is cool too.

There is another potential problem with a giant cleanup crew ...

A lot of folks will grab a whole bunch of cleaners and toss 'em into a new tank. With nothing much to "clean up", the hermits eat the snails, then drop away from starvation.

I prefer to grab a few at a time of something that will help with an issue that's presented itself. Got film algae? Pick up a few Trochus. Need the sandbed stirred a bit more than it is? Toss in a few Nassarius and maybe a fighting conch or two - perhaps a tiger-tail sea cucumber. Over time, the tank will find a balance, if you listen to it.

Your stocklist sounds doable - but consider adding the tangs late in your stocking. Yellows, especially, can (not always by any means, but sometimes...) become real sons of so-and-sos to other fish.

~Bruce

Great advise on slowly adding the cleaners in, most videos I've seen people dump everything in at once. I really want to focus on bringing the tank along slowly since I think it will benefit more that way. I'm still researching other fish, I'm hoping to add a few more on top of that stock list if possible. Otherwise I'd sacrifice taking one of the tangs out if need be.
 
I agree on waiting a while. Don't add to a freshly cycled tank.
 
I've been looking at so many different fish and it's SO hard to choose between them. Lol

Do you guys know much about Foxface fish? I think that's the fish I really want to focus around. The Magnificent Foxface is a beautiful fish. I think I want to center the tank around that fish and the Picasso clowns.
 
They are venomous - the spines pack a wallop - but you shouldn't get stung if you exercise caution. Got a pretty good appetite for algae, and are reef-safe for the most part, but do grow to substantial size.

And you've discovered part of the secret to choosing fish. The fish that gives you _that_kind_ of reaction; that's the one you want.

~Bruce
 
They are venomous - the spines pack a wallop - but you shouldn't get stung if you exercise caution. Got a pretty good appetite for algae, and are reef-safe for the most part, but do grow to substantial size.

And you've discovered part of the secret to choosing fish. The fish that gives you _that_kind_ of reaction; that's the one you want.

~Bruce

Yes, definitely! Love the starry blenny you mentioned also. Really cool.
 

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