2 Gen Tangs killed by anemone.

[bakbay]

Sorry about your loss. First of all, I would issue a subpoena for your (soon-to-be-ex? lol) girlfriend on how she introduced the nem while you were away? She didn't pour all the water that came with the nem into the tank, right? Like others suggested, I suspect she introduced something bad into the tank. If not already done so, run carbon to get rid of any remaining contaminants. Well, I run UV & carbon on my nem-dominant tank.

I have 3 ginormous (14-16") carpet nems in the tank -- trust me, I know that those guys can kill medium-large fish! Your nem isn't that big & sticky so unlikely the suspect. You can always take out the nem as process of elimination.

Good luck!

 

[dthom]

I think your original question was about that the website should have had warnings on it. In my personal opinion you can't blame the company you ordered from. There are always to many variables involved. If we got into asking them to label caution statements on every fish and coral they would be like prescription drug commercials. They are not responsible.

For instance, if I was to hear this story and see picks of your tank I would personally first suspect the large bubble coral. I have seen several fish (even a yellow tang) killed by a bubble coral at night when they have sleepers out. However, I have not ever personally seen a fish killed by an LTA. Too many variables and different experiences.

I am very sorry for your loss and sorry you were in the hospital.
Nice gesture to help you feel better, but risky when working with live animals.

 

[Nonya]

Disregard.

 

[VintageReefer]

Where was it ordered from?

“and my wonderful girlfriend ordered me a coral on drag ox trying to be nice”

What is drag ox?

 

[dthom]

I assume FragBox in Canada

 

[Nonya]

Correlation is not causation.

That's too definitive. It COULD be, even if unlikely. May be better to say correlation is probably not linked to causation?

 

[VintageReefer]

Is it possible OP has had a mantis hiding and growing and now getting bold ?

 

[cdnco2004]

I agree with everyone else. No way a LTA killed two healthy tangs. You have been avoiding the questions about you losing some smaller fish right before the 2 tangs? You also have avoided showing any pictures. Now if the fish were on deaths door and flow carried them into the LTA it could then start burning the fish, but healthy tangs are not going to get caught by a LTA. Sick or already dead fish yes but not healthy.

And I am not one to go calling the tang police but as the others have said way way to small of a tank for two Gem Tangs.

 

[VintageReefer]

Tangs could have been 2 or 3” Juvies we don’t know. How big were they?

 

[cdnco2004]

Tangs could have been 2 or 3” Juvies we don’t know. How big were they?

He said he had them for over a year. So should be bigger than 2.5-3" by now.

 

[Nonya]

And I am not one to go calling the tang police but as the others have said way way to small of a tank for two Gem Tangs.

I don't see any visual clues that would indicate a tank out of whack, and no other fish in the tank. I'm assuming 4 feet? That's more than enough for a couple of tangs.

The OP said they looked burned. Could be tentacle stings. Ammonia?

OP, did you test for ammonia?

 

[aSaltyKlown]

Tangs could have been 2 or 3” Juvies we don’t know. How big were they?

From his build thread.

 

[cdnco2004]

4' for 2 Gem Tangs??? Naww thats not enough.

 

[exnisstech]

Add me to the list of people that say nay to the LTA being the cause. I kept one in a tank with a lot of fish including 5 tangs. The nem was 10-12" when fully open. The only reason I rehomed it was because after a year it started wandering all over the tank and would not settle in a spot. Haddoni on the other hand cost me a lot of fish including a powder blue tang.
I'm wondering are there other fish in the tank still? I suppose velvet could look like burns especially if the seed was already planted mentally by finding a dead fish in the nem. It also kills very quickly.

 

[VintageReefer]

1) gf didn’t secretly put this in the tank while he was in hospital. He put it in himself. She ordered it as a surprise but after it arrived he was there and aware, posted about it here, and put the nem in on his own.

2) tank had large livestock move from a tank with lesser conditions to his tank in October

3) had recent issues with RTN and corals getting weird black rotting spots

4) nem in question was sold as “green king tenticle anemone” from fragbox

 

[albano]

4' for 2 Gem Tangs??? Naww thats not enough.

He already said it was not 2 gem tangs…gem and tomini

 

[ISpeakForTheSeas]

That's too definitive. It COULD be, even if unlikely. May be better to say correlation is probably not linked to causation?

I heard it as "Correlation does not equal causation," in college, but "Correlation is not causation" works too, as they're meaning the definitions not results from specific circumstances - in other words, all causal relationships will have a correlating relationship as well (so all causal relationships are correlational), but not all correlational relationships are causal (some of them are, but not all of them).

So an example of correlation is that shark attacks and ice creams go up at the same time of year. If correlation equalled causation, then shark attacks would cause ice cream sales (or ice cream sales would cause shark attacks).

An example of causation would be that as temperatures rise, people are more likely to buy ice cream or go swimming in locations where they could be attacked by sharks; the rising temperatures would have a causal/causative relationship (and a correlational relationship) with both ice cream sales and shark attacks.

I’m curious, and just throwing this out there, could the nem have carried a disease from the tank it came from (say flukes for example) and released it? I know nems can inflate/deflate by taking in and expelling water.

Thoughts?

So anemone introduced. Then you have small fish that died. Then two tangs

Maybe a sickness was introduced to the tank with the nem

She didn't pour all the water that came with the nem into the tank, right? Like others suggested, I suspect she introduced something bad into the tank.

Like the above, I'd seriously suspect disease - while inverts bringing in disease is very rare, it's a whole lot more likely than an LTA killing a whole tank of healthy fish.

Examples:

Worth it to QT inverts?

I have a FOWLR tank and was thinking to boost the clean up crew. Does it make sense to QT inverts? Or is that unnecessary? Ditto does it make sense to QT live rock?

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Keeping CuC Alive in Quarantine.

So it’s coming time for me to restock the crew. While the exact composition and numbers are TBA, thinking it will be around 15 blue leg hermits, 5 nassarius, 1 mexican turbo and a skunk shrimp. Ultimately they’re going in my 260gal, which currently has a tuxedo urchin, 1 hermit crab, 1...

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[bakbay]

Add me to the list of people that say nay to the LTA being the cause. I kept one in a tank with a lot of fish including 5 tangs. The nem was 10-12" when fully open. The only reason I rehomed it was because after a year it started wandering all over the tank and would not settle in a spot. Haddoni on the other hand cost me a lot of fish including a powder blue tang.
I'm wondering are there other fish in the tank still? I suppose velvet could look like burns especially if the seed was already planted mentally by finding a dead fish in the nem. It also kills very quickly.

lol - yup, I have 3 big Haddoni's and those guys are killing machines, even clownfish! I have not lost anything recently since the current crew learned not to run into them. Regardless, I've been slowly moving fish to the attached frag tank for "poop power" and obviously for their safety.

All my 30yrs+ in the hobby, I was fortunate and haven't gotten hit by velvet/brook...until several months ago. All clowns died within 48 hrs! I've been QT'ing ever since...that was one expensive lesson.

 

[Nonya]

I heard it as "Correlation does not equal causation," in college, but "Correlation is not causation" works too, as they're meaning the definitions not results from specific circumstances - in other words, all causal relationships will have a correlating relationship as well (so all causal relationships are correlational), but not all correlational relationships are causal (some of them are, but not all of them).

So an example of correlation is that shark attacks and ice creams go up at the same time of year. If correlation equalled causation, then shark attacks would cause ice cream sales (or ice cream sales would cause shark attacks).

An example of causation would be that as temperatures rise, people are more likely to buy ice cream or go swimming in locations where they could be attacked by sharks; the rising temperatures would have a causal/causative relationship (and a correlational relationship) with both ice cream sales and shark attacks.

Kamala? Is that you? Just kidding

 

[Idech]

I did, it was the anemone. I brought the bodies into my local reef store. They were burnt. All over. My fish were healthy, I was observing the tang just last night. One must of got caught in it and died and the other went to check it out and got stung as well. It was 100% the anemone was the sole cause of death

I’m not far from you. May I ask where you buy your fish from ? You can PM me if you prefer.