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Ok i have some cyano that just won't go away and have now noticed what look to be dinos on some of my corals not much but it is present. I've started a 3 day Blackout to hopefully put a little dent in this algae. I understand this is just a bandaid but i'm actively running GFO and Carbon and will continue to feed less and try my best for good tank husbandry. Hopefully this blackout will give me a good starting point.

Couple of questions tho.

1. Should i still feed my fish while in the blackout or can they even see the food or survive 3 days without?

2. Is their anything else i should do once the blackout is done? I hear people adding MicroBacter7 once done.

3. Should i do a water change at the completion of the 3 day blackout?

4. Will this rid all my algae so my cleanup crew will have nothing to eat?

lastly is their anything i should be doing during the 3 day blackout?

any help to these questions would be greatly appreciated....
 
You would be better off taking a power head and blowing off all your rock work and lightly blowing off the substrate. If it is Cyano, that is a Bacteria and it thrives on detritus, that's why when you remove it from rock you will see a bunch of detritus underneath the Cyano. Best to do what I said with the power head and do a water change right after to remove as much as you can, do this for a few weeks in a row you should see it disappear. Bottom line if you have Cyano you have a Detritus build up and once it starts it will seek out any and every patch it can find in the Tank, that is why it spreads and depending on how much build up you have is how fast it will spread. SO again you have a Bacteria looking for a food source and found some and depending on how large the food source is how bad it will/can become and how quickly it will spread. Take food source away or keep it from settling ( that is another reason water flow is so important ) and Cyano can't take hold. If this does not help or work I would just pick up some ChemiClean works very well when you follow instruction.
 
You would be better off taking a power head and blowing off all your rock work and lightly blowing off the substrate. If it is Cyano, that is a Bacteria and it thrives on detritus, that's why when you remove it from rock you will see a bunch of detritus underneath the Cyano. Best to do what I said with the power head and do a water change right after to remove as much as you can, do this for a few weeks in a row you should see it disappear. Bottom line if you have Cyano you have a Detritus build up and once it starts it will seek out any and every patch it can find in the Tank, that is why it spreads and depending on how much build up you have is how fast it will spread. SO again you have a Bacteria looking for a food source and found some and depending on how large the food source is how bad it will/can become and how quickly it will spread. Take food source away or keep it from settling ( that is another reason water flow is so important ) and Cyano can't take hold. If this does not help or work I would just pick up some ChemiClean works very well when you follow instruction.
Well already started the blackout but I did blow off all the rocks prior to the blackout. Seemed like I did have a lot of build up.
 
Just a quick idea as this is something I am thinking of doing is, getting /digging out the good old Canister filter and using that to blow off the rock and substrate and that way it is and will be removed at the same time and would be far more effective with the water change.
 
Sypon the brains out of the gravel, worked for me. The reason for cyno is nutrients. So u will be removing the nutrients by water change and the cyno as well as nutrients from the gravel. Also have you checked phosphate. This worked for me.
 
By the way if you blow it off the gravel using a power head you will have free floating cyno which will attach itself to anything including corals. So do not use a powerhead. You need to remove the cyno along with the cause. When syponing make sure you turn the flow off. Sypon till it's gone. I did this for 4 days and it worked a treat [emoji16]
 
Ok i have some cyano that just won't go away and have now noticed what look to be dinos on some of my corals not much but it is present. I've started a 3 day Blackout to hopefully put a little dent in this algae. I understand this is just a bandaid but i'm actively running GFO and Carbon and will continue to feed less and try my best for good tank husbandry. Hopefully this blackout will give me a good starting point.

Couple of questions tho.

1. Should i still feed my fish while in the blackout or can they even see the food or survive 3 days without?

2. Is their anything else i should do once the blackout is done? I hear people adding MicroBacter7 once done.

3. Should i do a water change at the completion of the 3 day blackout?

4. Will this rid all my algae so my cleanup crew will have nothing to eat?

lastly is their anything i should be doing during the 3 day blackout?

any help to these questions would be greatly appreciated....
1 yes. try to stay away from dry foods.
2 clean filter every day, put extra filter on if you have one (canster,etc)
3try to move the cyan around just a bit and do water change.
4no
just wondering what kind of lights, and if t5s what bulbs. thanks
 
1 yes. try to stay away from dry foods.
2 clean filter every day, put extra filter on if you have one (canster,etc)
3try to move the cyan around just a bit and do water change.
4no
just wondering what kind of lights, and if t5s what bulbs. thanks
I have a sump so will just changing the socks every day do the same thing?

My lights are the Reef breeders Photon V2 48inch

These: https://www.reefbreeders.com/shop/photon-48-v2/
 
Iam asking because i got slack in cleaning once and changed lights to more white and bam:confused: cyan. but i didn't change hours. I am trying to use more blue and a little less white with out hurting my tank.
this is a round the table question on the lights just some thing i have notice.
 
Iam asking because i got slack in cleaning once and changed lights to more white and bam:confused: cyan. but i didn't change hours. I am trying to use more blue and a little less white with out hurting my tank.
this is a round the table question on the lights just some thing i have notice.
I was using a ramp up ramp down with my lighting. They would come on at 9am just moon lighting and ramp up to highest power of 60% royal blues, 20% white, 35% cool blue, and 35% Violet. For 4 hours 2pm-5pm and then ramp back down with lights out at 11pm.
 
This is just echoing what everyone else already stated, but all synthesized into the way I beat dinos and cyano, although I have to say that it's really hard to actually *beat* those two 100% permanently, but you can keep them from taking hold and not letting go... 3 day blackout is good to knock them back to give yourself time to do what everyone here has said. Here is my personal formula for beating those two things that reefers nightmares are made out of:
1. I *much* prefer to do the 3 day black-out at the end, and it will not hurt to stop the blackout now and restart it again at the end. As many people stated, a black out is much more effective against dinos and cyano when there is nothing else to use for energy besides light. They can both survive on light alone, but give them a food source besides photoradiation and CO2 and they feel like they're living a dream in Goldino Corral. :p

2. Vacuum the sand bed super well, until you can vacuum and the water is close to clear, instead of the nasty color and smell you'll get. Don't barf while you do this part. o_O I would use this as a water change, like everyone else, so have some fresh water mixed up.

3. Get an old canister filter and put the filter foam in the first tray, or bottom tray. Add to this part of a felt or small micron size mesh filter sock; what I did was cut an old felt one up to fit the dimensions of the tray. I guess you could also find felt or fine/small micron nylon mesh at a store that sells that stuff, but I was just lazy... You really want to make sure you aren't allowing the difficult-to-see micro particles back into your tank. In the second tray, add carbon, preferably ROX as it can pull crap from the water really quickly. Fill the top tray with Phosguard as it rapidly removes the PO4 that will be released by the sand. If you cannot use PhosGuard, use GFO. I was really liberal with how much I used, don't care about measuring as this is really temporary.
Here is an alternative to the mesh or felt: Poly filter pads in the bottom tray, or even on the top tray on top of the Phosguard; this is simply to use the color changing mechanism in Poly filter pads to see what's in your tank and filter it out, and secondly, to have a quick NO3 remover. Purigen is good at removing the organic nitrogenous waste before it turns into NO3, but not in removing the NO3 and other nitrogenous compounds that are part of the nastiness of the sand bed.

4. What I do is start to filter the water column and just get the canister filter running; hang the return on the side of the tank, then hold the intake on the surface of the rock , sucking up as much as possible. I also use the intake to suck up the "dicyano" directly. Get a brush in your dominant hand and scrub off the cyano and dicyano while holding the intake of the canister close to the brush to capture as much of the nasty critters as possible. I also use a turkey baster to get the detritus and crap off the rocks while I hold the intake tube close so the nasties don't completely escape into the water column.

5. Now take apart the canister filter and rinse the filter foam really well, same with the cut up felt or nylon mesh filter material, alternatively, pull the poly filter pad and check the color. Replace it with a new one if you wish, but you can keep using it as long as it's not clogged up. Rinse the tray of carbon super well until water is clear, same with the Phosguard tray. This time add Purigen to the Phosguard tray to help get nitrogen based organics out of the water column. You could also add the purigen to the carbon tray, doesn't really matter. I use so much carbon that I can't add anything else to that tray. But definitely add Purigen or some other nitrate remover at this point; you will release so much nitrogenous waste by cleaning like this that you will definitely need something.

6. Next, to get into the crevices of the rock and dislodge as much of the detritus from the pores of the rock, get a strong powerhead, hold it close to the rock surface and let it rip. I didn't do this to rocks that have corals on them, but do it to everything else, including the sand bed (to create a hurricane in my tank). Wow, talk about making the water murky, this will definitely do it. :eek::eek::eek:

7. Now put new filter socks in the sump, turn your powerheads up to keep that stuff in suspension and hopefully pulled into the overflow and filtered out by your filtration system in your sump.

8. Now we supersize your order by adding the canister filter to your tank. Hang the intake on one end, the return on the other, filled with all the stuff to clean your water, let that run while you do your blackout for 3 days, remember to completely cover your tank so no light whatever can get it. We don't want the survivors of the mustard gas treatment to be able to grasp hold of any kind of energy source. That's how I did it and I had a completely different tank when I uncovered it. I let the canister run for another week or so, then threw away all of the dicyano infected media, bleached the felt and the foam, did the same to the canister and got it ready to vacuum clean my sump. :eek: If you want to, add chemi clean at this point to knock out the POW's... I don't add chemi clean unless I absolutely have to. It used to contain erythromycin, which is the antibiotic of choice for cyano, so if you want to put the cyano on death row, get some erythromycin and add it to your tank. This is a last gasp measure though....

9. Add MB-7 or another source of nitrifying bacteria. By creating a hurricane in the sand bed, and making a tornado rip through the pores of your rock, you also dislodged the good bacteria and then sucked it up with the canister. No worries though, that bacteria had too many candles on their cake anyway, so adding some new youngsters will help. o_O:D:cool:o_O

Cheers!

Lloyd
 
This is just echoing what everyone else already stated, but all synthesized into the way I beat dinos and cyano, although I have to say that it's really hard to actually *beat* those two 100% permanently, but you can keep them from taking hold and not letting go... 3 day blackout is good to knock them back to give yourself time to do what everyone here has said. Here is my personal formula for beating those two things that reefers nightmares are made out of:
1. I *much* prefer to do the 3 day black-out at the end, and it will not hurt to stop the blackout now and restart it again at the end. As many people stated, a black out is much more effective against dinos and cyano when there is nothing else to use for energy besides light. They can both survive on light alone, but give them a food source besides photoradiation and CO2 and they feel like they're living a dream in Goldino Corral. [emoji14]

2. Vacuum the sand bed super well, until you can vacuum and the water is close to clear, instead of the nasty color and smell you'll get. Don't barf while you do this part. o_O I would use this as a water change, like everyone else, so have some fresh water mixed up.

3. Get an old canister filter and put the filter foam in the first tray, or bottom tray. Add to this part of a felt or small micron size mesh filter sock; what I did was cut an old felt one up to fit the dimensions of the tray. I guess you could also find felt or fine/small micron nylon mesh at a store that sells that stuff, but I was just lazy... You really want to make sure you aren't allowing the difficult-to-see micro particles back into your tank. In the second tray, add carbon, preferably ROX as it can pull crap from the water really quickly. Fill the top tray with Phosguard as it rapidly removes the PO4 that will be released by the sand. If you cannot use PhosGuard, use GFO. I was really liberal with how much I used, don't care about measuring as this is really temporary.
Here is an alternative to the mesh or felt: Poly filter pads in the bottom tray, or even on the top tray on top of the Phosguard; this is simply to use the color changing mechanism in Poly filter pads to see what's in your tank and filter it out, and secondly, to have a quick NO3 remover. Purigen is good at removing the organic nitrogenous waste before it turns into NO3, but not in removing the NO3 and other nitrogenous compounds that are part of the nastiness of the sand bed.

4. What I do is start to filter the water column and just get the canister filter running; hang the return on the side of the tank, then hold the intake on the surface of the rock , sucking up as much as possible. I also use the intake to suck up the "dicyano" directly. Get a brush in your dominant hand and scrub off the cyano and dicyano while holding the intake of the canister close to the brush to capture as much of the nasty critters as possible. I also use a turkey baster to get the detritus and crap off the rocks while I hold the intake tube close so the nasties don't completely escape into the water column.

5. Now take apart the canister filter and rinse the filter foam really well, same with the cut up felt or nylon mesh filter material, alternatively, pull the poly filter pad and check the color. Replace it with a new one if you wish, but you can keep using it as long as it's not clogged up. Rinse the tray of carbon super well until water is clear, same with the Phosguard tray. This time add Purigen to the Phosguard tray to help get nitrogen based organics out of the water column. You could also add the purigen to the carbon tray, doesn't really matter. I use so much carbon that I can't add anything else to that tray. But definitely add Purigen or some other nitrate remover at this point; you will release so much nitrogenous waste by cleaning like this that you will definitely need something.

6. Next, to get into the crevices of the rock and dislodge as much of the detritus from the pores of the rock, get a strong powerhead, hold it close to the rock surface and let it rip. I didn't do this to rocks that have corals on them, but do it to everything else, including the sand bed (to create a hurricane in my tank). Wow, talk about making the water murky, this will definitely do it. :eek::eek::eek:

7. Now put new filter socks in the sump, turn your powerheads up to keep that stuff in suspension and hopefully pulled into the overflow and filtered out by your filtration system in your sump.

8. Now we supersize your order by adding the canister filter to your tank. Hang the intake on one end, the return on the other, filled with all the stuff to clean your water, let that run while you do your blackout for 3 days, remember to completely cover your tank so no light whatever can get it. We don't want the survivors of the mustard gas treatment to be able to grasp hold of any kind of energy source. That's how I did it and I had a completely different tank when I uncovered it. I let the canister run for another week or so, then threw away all of the dicyano infected media, bleached the felt and the foam, did the same to the canister and got it ready to vacuum clean my sump. :eek: If you want to, add chemi clean at this point to knock out the POW's... I don't add chemi clean unless I absolutely have to. It used to contain erythromycin, which is the antibiotic of choice for cyano, so if you want to put the cyano on death row, get some erythromycin and add it to your tank. This is a last gasp measure though....

9. Add MB-7 or another source of nitrifying bacteria. By creating a hurricane in the sand bed, and making a tornado rip through the pores of your rock, you also dislodged the good bacteria and then sucked it up with the canister. No worries though, that bacteria had too many candles on their cake anyway, so adding some new youngsters will help. o_O:D:cool:o_O

Cheers!

Lloyd
I appreciate the time you took in your response believe me it is much appreciated. I did vacuum up the sandbed. And I also blew the rock free of detritus and ran my powerhweads high to get all that suspended stuff to enter the sump. Once water was clear I removed the filter socks and added new socks. I refilled my GFO reactor and added new ROX carbon. My tank has done 1 full day of blackout so will just continue to the 3 days. Skimmer running aggressively. Gonna ride this out and see what happens at end of 3 days. Checked PH still at 8.2 and Alk has not changed still at 9.7 dkh. Want to check to make sure fish are OK but I won't :-(
 
Quick question. Is their a science behind the 3 day blackout? Does it have to be 3 days exactly?

Reason I ask because I will not be home at the 3 day (72 hour mark). So should I unwrap my tank before I leave which will be 6 hours earlier or unwrap it when I get back which will be about 5 hours after the 72 hour mark?

Just unsure if corals start to die off any longer after 72 hours or if I'll still be OK
 
Everyone has pretty much answered everything but just wanted to drop a cool idea. Get out a wet/dry vac and configure fitting so the suction part isn't large and simply just suck up all the cyano. Of course plan this right before you do a water change to supplement the lost water but this method works awesome for me. I mainly use this method to get rid of aiptasia. Just an idea

Also, the blackout method just kills the algae but it will grow back as soon as lights are back on as long as it has something to thrive on. With gfo and plenty of water changes you should be good.

I wouldn't stop feeding your fish but I would try and reduce feedings.

Also, I'm sure someone said this already but I would increase flow and that would help significantly in keeping cyano from coming back
 
What I missing here and don't get me wrong as many made good suggestions is....... how do you know we talking Cyano here?
Ok I get that ........... it's red and fits the description as ppl tell me.............. oh really!!
Well did you test if it is cyano and not spirulina?
Many point given of above are simple solutions and they work great but if you don't change the way you do your reefing it will be back.
Cyano is not that difficult to get rid off.
Good flow is a must, not to get rid of the cyano/spirulina but to blow your detritus around as your cyano/spirulina have nothing to thrive on.
Yes you can blow before you do a water change your rocks with a small pump and than do a water change right after or during, that's one small thing.
But first we need to know what we dealing with.
Our friend Todd @twilliard wrote some threads about this,

Take a portion of that red mat you see in your tank and place it into a cup with about 2 cups of tank water.
Now add 1ml of 3% hydrogen peroxide
Over the course of several hours you may start to see a change in the water and the color of your sample.
If in fact it is the common cyanobacteria and not spirulina the water will start to turn a pink color and the sample with start to turn a green color.
Now if it is spirulina there will be no change as h2o2 has little effect on the individual cells.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/cyanobacteria-lets-break-it-down-pure-erythromycin-study.288640/

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/cyanobacteria-questions-answers-and-solution.253823/

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/positive-identification-of-cyanobacteria.253287/
 
What I missing here and don't get me wrong as many made good suggestions is....... how do you know we talking Cyano here?
Ok I get that ........... it's red and fits the description as ppl tell me.............. oh really!!
Well did you test if it is cyano and not spirulina?
Many point given of above are simple solutions and they work great but if you don't change the way you do your reefing it will be back.
Cyano is not that difficult to get rid off.
Good flow is a must, not to get rid of the cyano/spirulina but to blow your detritus around as your cyano/spirulina have nothing to thrive on.
Yes you can blow before you do a water change your rocks with a small pump and than do a water change right after or during, that's one small thing.
But first we need to know what we dealing with.
Our friend Todd @twilliard wrote some threads about this,

Take a portion of that red mat you see in your tank and place it into a cup with about 2 cups of tank water.
Now add 1ml of 3% hydrogen peroxide
Over the course of several hours you may start to see a change in the water and the color of your sample.
If in fact it is the common cyanobacteria and not spirulina the water will start to turn a pink color and the sample with start to turn a green color.
Now if it is spirulina there will be no change as h2o2 has little effect on the individual cells.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/cyanobacteria-lets-break-it-down-pure-erythromycin-study.288640/

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/cyanobacteria-questions-answers-and-solution.253823/

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/positive-identification-of-cyanobacteria.253287/

yes this is the test i did and indeed i have cyano.
 

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