300+ gal system on septic system

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ok so i have read several other threads on this topic but there are usually flaws within the discussion. so in an attempt to give me some clear direction on how to handle my waste saltwater im going to list what i have found and potential problems to be considered when discharging salt water.

im about to setup a 300+ gal system while on a septic system. i have two option on how to plumb the drains for water changes. option one is into a typical drain that leads to the septic tank. option 2 is to the sump pump located in the crawl space which discharges on the lawn off the side of the house.

first off, we do use a softener. at a high salt concentration, water softener discharge is about 10,000 ppm or 1% salt. softeners will discharge about 50-100 gals when recharging. i will have to look into the specifics for our tank.

does the softener discharge drain into the septic tank? a friend of mine who has installed several septic fields said that it would not discharge into the septic. reason being is the salt would damage the cement tank. he said our softener discharge would be pumped out through the sump. my response was that we only added a sump to the crawl space a few years ago yet we had a softener for 30 years. Prior to the sump the salt drained into a pipe under the house but we had no idea where that pipe went.

saltwater from our tanks is around 35,000 ppm, or 3.5%. this is over 3 times the concentration of the softener discharge. however the volume may only be around 30 gal maybe 60 if i needed a big waterchange. also it wont be done as frequently as the softener recharges. a water change is essentially like adding a single additional recharge event, however the effluent is more concentrated and will require extra water to be diluted.

I'm thinking that the issues arising from the dilution of tank water can be minimized by planning water changes to coincide with regular household activities that produce gray water or water that isn't heavily concentrated with solutes. basically, do a water change before laundry day. while our washer is high efficiency i have read that a typical load of laundry discharges about 40 gal of water, let be on the safe side of this high efficiency washer and say that a load is 20 gal of water. a few loads of laundry on the weekend is typical. so if i do water changes on a Saturday morning while laundry is done afterwards we can quickly dilute the tank water into what a discharge even from the softener would be.

that only makes sense if the recharge water actually discharges into the septic. which i will have to check on

also, to wrap this up, many are worried about the bacteria in the tank. I'm not convinced that the salt water from water changes is enough to do much since our tank is regularly maintained.

anyways looking for some input on where to plumb these drains
 
Following along.
We have a low flow system that pumps to the city leach field.
Curious as to what if any issues could arise, with either scenario.
 
My tank is a little more than 1/2 the volume of yours but I have been doing 25 gallon water changes for 5 years. The first 4 years was at my previous home and I didn't do anything but drain it through a regular drain to my septic tank. My septic tank guy said it would be no problem and it never was. I did regularly use bottled bacteria to keep my septic system functioning normally but not sure it was needed.

When we moved to a new house a year ago I started draining it to some woods on a steep slope behind my house. Hasn't seemed to bother any of the trees or vegetation. I think there is a good chance your waste salt water wouldn't impact your yard much.
 
My water softener discharges into the sump system and out of the house into corrugated tubing to pull it away from the home.

The company I had come do our first clean-out recommended to have that system remove the saltwater from my system (275g total volume). I'll be utilizing a AWC system and I have a lot of ground water all year round (sump runs once ever 5 min or less).

That is my plan but this topic seems highly debated... I'd rather not risk a 30k septic replacement though. Especially for $10 in tubing to run the output to the sump [emoji16]
 
Softner regen waste never goes into septic field. It goes to sump.That's where your wc's and r/o waste should go also. Not sure of your setup, but I ran my sump line out to front culvert. This should give you zero issues. Salt will kill plants and grass so run it away from there.
 
Don’t really see the need to worry about having it damage your septic. It should be fine
 
Gonna bring this thread back from the dead because I've been wondering about this myself. Didn't want to to chance it until I knew for sure, so I've been lugging water out beyond the fence in the backyard to avoid killing my grass. I just assumed it wasn't good for the septic tank, since that's basically it's own ecosystem.
 
Almost 3 years ago we moved to our first house with a septic system. I read salt water was not ideal for a septic so when I set up my 180 gallon tank I decided to run the waste saltwater outside under my deck. My sump is in the basement so it was relatively easy to just pump the water outside. For a septic system my thought process was to be conservative and error on the side of caution.
 
20 years of reefing on a septic system here. 500g total volume, no issues.
 
ok so i have read several other threads on this topic but there are usually flaws within the discussion. so in an attempt to give me some clear direction on how to handle my waste saltwater im going to list what i have found and potential problems to be considered when discharging salt water.

im about to setup a 300+ gal system while on a septic system. i have two option on how to plumb the drains for water changes. option one is into a typical drain that leads to the septic tank. option 2 is to the sump pump located in the crawl space which discharges on the lawn off the side of the house.

first off, we do use a softener. at a high salt concentration, water softener discharge is about 10,000 ppm or 1% salt. softeners will discharge about 50-100 gals when recharging. i will have to look into the specifics for our tank.

does the softener discharge drain into the septic tank? a friend of mine who has installed several septic fields said that it would not discharge into the septic. reason being is the salt would damage the cement tank. he said our softener discharge would be pumped out through the sump. my response was that we only added a sump to the crawl space a few years ago yet we had a softener for 30 years. Prior to the sump the salt drained into a pipe under the house but we had no idea where that pipe went.

saltwater from our tanks is around 35,000 ppm, or 3.5%. this is over 3 times the concentration of the softener discharge. however the volume may only be around 30 gal maybe 60 if i needed a big waterchange. also it wont be done as frequently as the softener recharges. a water change is essentially like adding a single additional recharge event, however the effluent is more concentrated and will require extra water to be diluted.

I'm thinking that the issues arising from the dilution of tank water can be minimized by planning water changes to coincide with regular household activities that produce gray water or water that isn't heavily concentrated with solutes. basically, do a water change before laundry day. while our washer is high efficiency i have read that a typical load of laundry discharges about 40 gal of water, let be on the safe side of this high efficiency washer and say that a load is 20 gal of water. a few loads of laundry on the weekend is typical. so if i do water changes on a Saturday morning while laundry is done afterwards we can quickly dilute the tank water into what a discharge even from the softener would be.

that only makes sense if the recharge water actually discharges into the septic. which i will have to check on

also, to wrap this up, many are worried about the bacteria in the tank. I'm not convinced that the salt water from water changes is enough to do much since our tank is regularly maintained.

anyways looking for some input on where to plumb these drains

Personally as a contractor, if me I would figure an area to drain water, not to septic tank. I've had homes with 4-5 bathrooms to a septic tank. And always tried to be careful with septic tank
 
ok so i have read several other threads on this topic but there are usually flaws within the discussion. so in an attempt to give me some clear direction on how to handle my waste saltwater im going to list what i have found and potential problems to be considered when discharging salt water.

im about to setup a 300+ gal system while on a septic system. i have two option on how to plumb the drains for water changes. option one is into a typical drain that leads to the septic tank. option 2 is to the sump pump located in the crawl space which discharges on the lawn off the side of the house.

first off, we do use a softener. at a high salt concentration, water softener discharge is about 10,000 ppm or 1% salt. softeners will discharge about 50-100 gals when recharging. i will have to look into the specifics for our tank.

does the softener discharge drain into the septic tank? a friend of mine who has installed several septic fields said that it would not discharge into the septic. reason being is the salt would damage the cement tank. he said our softener discharge would be pumped out through the sump. my response was that we only added a sump to the crawl space a few years ago yet we had a softener for 30 years. Prior to the sump the salt drained into a pipe under the house but we had no idea where that pipe went.

saltwater from our tanks is around 35,000 ppm, or 3.5%. this is over 3 times the concentration of the softener discharge. however the volume may only be around 30 gal maybe 60 if i needed a big waterchange. also it wont be done as frequently as the softener recharges. a water change is essentially like adding a single additional recharge event, however the effluent is more concentrated and will require extra water to be diluted.

I'm thinking that the issues arising from the dilution of tank water can be minimized by planning water changes to coincide with regular household activities that produce gray water or water that isn't heavily concentrated with solutes. basically, do a water change before laundry day. while our washer is high efficiency i have read that a typical load of laundry discharges about 40 gal of water, let be on the safe side of this high efficiency washer and say that a load is 20 gal of water. a few loads of laundry on the weekend is typical. so if i do water changes on a Saturday morning while laundry is done afterwards we can quickly dilute the tank water into what a discharge even from the softener would be.

that only makes sense if the recharge water actually discharges into the septic. which i will have to check on

also, to wrap this up, many are worried about the bacteria in the tank. I'm not convinced that the salt water from water changes is enough to do much since our tank is regularly maintained.

anyways looking for some input on where to plumb these drains
 
25 years reefing, ramping from 90 to 180 gallons on septic. No problems. Always wondered, never a problem.
 
Just moved to a home in FL using a septic system. Did some research and decided NOT to dump saltwater into it.
Reason:. The biological make up as well as the drain field can be sensitive. And believe me it can be a costly undertaking to have your yard dug up.
Point:. If you have a viable option....why take the risk.
Just for your consideration.
 
It’s not a matter of hurting the septic system, it’s a matter of how often you will need to have it pumped. I’ve seen septic systems go 20 years without needing to be pumped and I’ve seen them need to be pumped every year or two. Your septic tank is an ecosystem, much like a compost bin. It needs bacteria to break down solid waste. If you put a lot of greasy cooking waste, bleach, antibacterial soaps, etc down your drains, the bacteria may not thrive, hence you’ll have to pump out your tank more often. I think this is the concern with the salt questions, not a matter of actually damaging the system which is concrete and pvc.

Also, my drain field runs right across my front lawn. If I don’t fertilize my grass, I’ll have big green streaks where the drain field is. I wouldn’t want to risk putting hundreds of gallons of saltwater under my front lawn.
 

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