55 to 90 AGA transfer

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Greetings and salutations!

I'm brand new to the hobby, and will be transferring & setting up a new system this weekend. Pics are of the new unit, before & after cleanup. I've been reading various threads for about two weeks now, trying to come up with a decent plan for my weekend... Here's what I've got going on:

Neighbors a few doors down recently became empty nesters, and are donating their 55g SW setup. They no longer have interest or time for the hobby, now that their boys are both in college. The setup includes all the livestock, LR, LS, a little coral, all equipment & the stand... Therefore, I'm happy to accept! However, from what I've been reading on various threads, the tank is not ideally set up. It currently has a HOB Reef Octopus skimmer and an inside the stand canister filter (no sump). Tank is in "fair" condition, a little cloudy, the LR needs to be cleaned up/siphoned prior to my proposed transfer. Livestock, however, appears to be healthy - consists of a pair of clowns, a fire shrimp, and a couple other small (~ 3 inch) fish. They've had their fish for several years. However, I wanted a bigger, sexier tank because I have the space, and it seems that the more water volume, the more stable most SW setups seem to be. I plan on transferring everything into the new tank I bought this week and growing/adding over time.

I've purchased a nice, used (3 year old) 90g 48x18x24 glass tank, all wood stand & canopy. It's already in the house, it's been cleaned, I just have to plumb & test. The purchase included the following equipment:

~20g acrylic sump (maybe 25g, not sure)
In-sump protein skimmer (Coralife 150)
950 gph mag return pump (Supreme)
T5 whites + actinic (I think 2 of each, Coralife brand?)
ATO w/timer (w/14 gallon Rubbermaid trash can)
150 watt heater (EJ)
One powerhead (Koralia, I forget flow rate, but think it's a 600). Return has a 2-way split diverter, so flow should be sufficient. If not, I'll add one more
UV sterilizer
Power strip w/timers
Various other minor odds & ends

I plan on making this a mixed reef tank: existing livestock/LR for awhile to ensure stability, then adding more LR, then coral, anemone, & fish. Slow and steady, of course. I'd like to place a refugium in the sump for added filtration, as the previous owner had it set up as a FOWLR w/bio balls (which I'll not use).

Here's my plan, please advise if anything seems amiss, as this is not only my first transfer, but my first foray into the hobby as well!

A). Set up new 90g by filling with 60g of boxed Pacific saltwater I've purchased
B). Transfer the existing (wet) LR into new tank, arrange aquascape as best I can until additional, new LR may be safely added
C). Scoop two to three cups of existing LS into new tank
D). I'll add in ~40 lbs of new bagged LS I bought, placing on top of what I scooped from the old
F). Keep livestock in existing 55g while I pump as much of their existing water as possible into new tank (keeping enough water, heat, aeration & flow to sustain fish)
G). Wait for things to settle/water to stabilize in new tank and be relatively clear
F). Compare salinity & temp between tanks (what other parameters do I need to check?)
H). If all is well, transfer livestock
I). Monitor daily

1. Does this all look correct?
2. Is anything out of sequence, incorrect, or missing?
3. Is using a refugium chamber the correct approach here? The goal is to keep the water in the DT as stable, clear, and life-friendly as possible.
4. If 3 is a "yes," should I add some of the existing LR, LS & mud to the refugium floor around step C?
5. If 3 is a "no," what should the other chamber house for this type of setup? Additional mechanical filtration? Chemical?
6. Suggestions for correct water temp on this setup?
7. Can I/should I use an air stone?

KIND REGARDS,

and THANK YOU for input, corrections, and advice! Pics are the before and after cleanup.
 
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Lots of good things, I can see that you have done some what of your home work.
Let me jump in one by one.

A). Set up new 90g by filling with 60g of boxed Pacific saltwater I've purchased great idea.
B). Transfer the existing (wet) LR into new tank, arrange aquascape as best I can until additional, new LR may be safely added best if you do it all in one time, by adding additional LR in a later stage you will go through another cycle.
C). Scoop two to three cups of existing LS into new tank Bring in new sand first and add the old sand on top of it.
D). I'll add in ~40 lbs of new bagged LS I bought, placing on top of what I scooped from the old
F). Keep livestock in existing 55g while I pump as much of their existing water as possible into new tank (keeping enough water, heat, aeration & flow to sustain fish) you can pump maybe 50% water from old tank, make sure it's clean water. and replace the water in the old tank as you want to leave your lifestock in there till all your test results in your new tank are within range.
G). Wait for things to settle/water to stabilize in new tank and be relatively clear
F). Compare salinity & temp between tanks (what other parameters do I need to check?) nitrate, nitrite, ammonia, PH and phosphate,
H). If all is well, transfer livestock take at least a week to have things settle and kick in if not longer.
I). Monitor daily YES.


1. Does this all look correct?
2. Is anything out of sequence, incorrect, or missing? have some extra water on hand in case you have to do a water change.
3. Is using a refugium chamber the correct approach here? The goal is to keep the water in the DT as stable, clear, and life-friendly as possible. a fuge is always a good thing when set up correctly.
4. If 3 is a "yes," should I add some of the existing LR, LS & mud to the refugium floor around step C? just LR IMO with some macro algae
5. If 3 is a "no," what should the other chamber house for this type of setup? Additional mechanical filtration? Chemical?
6. Suggestions for correct water temp on this setup? if you keep it give and take between 76 and 79 your ok, just don't freak out one day if you read 75 0r 80.
7. Can I/should I use an air stone? Your skimmer is adding enough or should add enough air in your water.

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Diesel, thanks so much for your reply! I sincerely appreciate the input, and the welcome ... Good to know I'm kinda on the right track. I didn't anticipate needing to wait a week for livestock transfer, good to know. Also, very glad to learn the new LR can & should go in along with the existing simultaneously. BTW, how long can the fish/coral remain in buckets during the move? I'll have access to a couple powerheads & heaters during the "move".
 
It all depends on the distance and temperature.
Make sure you use buckets only that you used before for saltwater or buy some new that you only use for a water change or transporting fish.
Make sure it has a top you can close.
 
Gotcha. Move will literally be walking distance, a few houses down. Atlanta weather should be +/- 65 degrees on Sunday. Should be good on buckets - prior tank owner threw in 5 or 6 of the orange HD type.
 
Great, you got a solid game plan there.
Fill us in with some pics and info how the move went.
Good luck.
 
Fantastic detailed responses to this thread, Diesel. You are one of the reasons this is such a great forum.

I'm just one of many here on R2R, we have a awesome [HASHTAG]#reefsquad[/HASHTAG] put together just for that reason.
 
We're up & running. Went with a new sump, as what came with my tank was a smaller, wet dry. Water is pretty much clearing up, I'd say 75% there. Everyone in the tank seems happy, water parameters are great. I'll rearrange the initial aquascape a few more times, I'm sure. Thanks to all who helped me along the way to a (so far) very successful transfer & set up!
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Looks pretty cool so far.
Keep testing everyday for the next two weeks with some reliable test kits.
Write down every day your test results for later reference.
 
Question: my LFS advised against turning on both my skimmer and UV sterilizer for the first 30 days. Does everyone agree? Or should I at least turn on the skimmer? I've seen several contrary opinions on this topic... Thx!
 
Question: my LFS advised against turning on both my skimmer and UV sterilizer for the first 30 days. Does everyone agree? Or should I at least turn on the skimmer? I've seen several contrary opinions on this topic... Thx!

That's a tough call.
I would turn of the UV for sure.
The skimmer will slow down the process of cycling as you need to feed your bacteria population a lot.
I've always cycled the first 10 days without a skimmer on every tank.
And I never used a UV in a reef tank but only in a FOWLR and fresh water tanks.
 
That's a tough call.
I would turn of the UV for sure.
The skimmer will slow down the process of cycling as you need to feed your bacteria population a lot.
I've always cycled the first 10 days without a skimmer on every tank.
And I never used a UV in a reef tank but only in a FOWLR and fresh water tanks.
Alright, that makes sense. I'll fire up the skimmer sometime mid-next week. Should I not use the UV at all, then? It came with my tank as part of the purchase...
 
I think that's up to you.
Some ppl like it as they think it will help them with fighting parasites and algae.
Do research on "what is a UV and what does it do" and after many hours of reading you make the call.
 
I think that's up to you.
Some ppl like it as they think it will help them with fighting parasites and algae.
Do research on "what is a UV and what does it do" and after many hours of reading you make the call.
Will do. My worry is of course killing the beneficial stuff that'll be present in addition to the unwanted. I'm starting a fuge too, so wanted to make sure that if I use the UV I won't just be defeating the purpose. Thanks, Diesel. BTW, things are looking better with each passing day...
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^^^^ that is looking awesome!
You're on your way to a great reef.
Keep up the research, read and ask a lot.
Keep testing!
If I wake you up tonight and ask you for your No3 and Po4 you have to answer me without thinking. :p
 
^^^^ that is looking awesome!
You're on your way to a great reef.
Keep up the research, read and ask a lot.
Keep testing!
If I wake you up tonight and ask you for your No3 and Po4 you have to answer me without thinking. :p
Ha! Been monitoring those two closely... Here's what I have going on (as of last night):

No3 is slightly elevated at 8-10
No2 is slightly elevated at .03 - .04 - cycle related to new LS & LR?
Po4 is 0
Ammonia slightly up @ .03-.04 (new LS/LR + bio-spira?)
pH 8-8.5 (can't quite tell on color chart, maybe my eyes ain't so great)
Specific gravity .021 - need to raise this to .025 - .026

No coral yet, just LR with two clowns, two damsels, one shrimp. All were transferred from the previous 55g tank.

Open to suggestions to help the numbers become more favorable... Partial water change this weekend (I'm traveling at the moment) with higher salinity? Additives? Both?
 
WC, will help a lot and your livestock will thank you for it.
You will go through a cycle as your test results are already giving you the indication.
Eyes on the ammonia and nitrite, if these are rising please do a WC ASAP before your shrimp will go belly-up.
Cycling will take a little longer as you need the ammonia to feed the bacteria, with a WC you slow it down but at least your fish will live.
If No3 is creeping higher please do use the skimmer as you will algae a step a head with that.
 

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