I like that!
I just want you all to know, while I might not be ready to completely "change my ways" As a member of the Reef Squad, I've decided to try to be more conscientious with my suggestions in the disease forum.
Particularly, offering ich-management threads/advice more frequently as a second option. Pushing nutrition more often, in conjunction with medications or otherwise. Offering nutrition as a second option to antibiotics in the case of "mild" secondary infections. And, trying to be more conservative with recommendations which include mixing medications.
Even though I'm not completely on board with running without QT and use of meds, I do think there is room to include more of both sides in the disease help forums. And @Lasse, I've noticed you've jumped in and have been doing the same to try to help - and I'm happy you took my invitation seriously
) – I´m wrong and can admit that without losing respect points – and if I do – who cares?
Since the disease section is already a subforum I don't think we could create a new one underneath it.
I was going to say spots on the glass...I have tried to stay away from the disease threads. Not because I do not know anything about it but because I did not want to come into endless debates about chemoprophylactic QT or not. Till now - my thoughts have been that the hard core chemoprophylactic gang have done more good things than bad things. But lately – it has been the sledgehammer directly – if not fully chemoprophylactic treatment and more ore less sterile tanks – do not come here and complain. Sometimes the answers come directly from the spinal cord – not noting the circumstances the original poster mention – not asking for a timeline of the special event. IMO – if you want to help in a certain situation (and save the world – oh excuse me – the fish) – IMO – a timeline is necessary and the first thing to ask for. And it is impossible from a picture to have a 100 % diagnosis Look at this picture below. If I post that in the disease forum and ask if it is some disease – everyone know the answer
But here is the same fish – 1 minute before
By the way this fish together with this fish below was in Indonesia 48 hours ago – now in Gothenburg – now signs of “parasites that is on every fish nowadays” Perfect healthy fish as it is in 95 % of the imports I have seen.
I have seen threads that – when you are able to make a timeline with 95% safety shows a non- microbial agent – but first reaction is always – a disease – a parasite – do a full 76 dormant period with the DT and treat everything chemoprophylactic. I have seen threads when the poor hobbyist state that he/she did all of this – but the result was again – a total wipe out. The answer in the first post can be – you did it wrong. Please ask for a timeline first – before judgement.
Now we have this thread (article) – that MO should be sticky in the disease forum – I can always refer to this and therefore I can try to contribute in the disease threads without any of the active ones need to feel that they will be attacked. I´m to old to have a need to be a member of the A team all the time. When I´m wrong (happens at least once every 10 year
Sincerely Lasse
... but. And very nice fish
I have tried to stay away from the disease threads. Not because I do not know anything about it but because I did not want to come into endless debates about chemoprophylactic QT or not. Till now - my thoughts have been that the hard core chemoprophylactic gang have done more good things than bad things. But lately – it has been the sledgehammer directly – if not fully chemoprophylactic treatment and more ore less sterile tanks – do not come here and complain. Sometimes the answers come directly from the spinal cord – not noting the circumstances the original poster mention – not asking for a timeline of the special event. IMO – if you want to help in a certain situation (and save the world – oh excuse me – the fish) – IMO – a timeline is necessary and the first thing to ask for. And it is impossible from a picture to have a 100 % diagnosis Look at this picture below. If I post that in the disease forum and ask if it is some disease – everyone know the answer
But here is the same fish – 1 minute before
By the way this fish together with this fish below was in Indonesia 48 hours ago – now in Gothenburg – now signs of “parasites that is on every fish nowadays” Perfect healthy fish as it is in 95 % of the imports I have seen.
I have seen threads that – when you are able to make a timeline with 95% safety shows a non- microbial agent – but first reaction is always – a disease – a parasite – do a full 76 dormant period with the DT and treat everything chemoprophylactic. I have seen threads when the poor hobbyist state that he/she did all of this – but the result was again – a total wipe out. The answer in the first post can be – you did it wrong. Please ask for a timeline first – before judgement.
Now we have this thread (article) – that MO should be sticky in the disease forum – I can always refer to this and therefore I can try to contribute in the disease threads without any of the active ones need to feel that they will be attacked. I´m to old to have a need to be a member of the A team all the time. When I´m wrong (happens at least once every 10 year
Sincerely Lasse
I agree. I like Natural Fish Health better than Natural Husbandry for exactly the reasons you list. Not that they aren't valid topics, but they aren't directly related to what I feel the target should be.
The challenge with this isn't with everyone recommending treating a diseased or infected fish as much as it is the opposition to treating fish without signs of infection or disease. It would be hard to pull all of that out of the fish disease section imo.
That should come under quarantining as your not treating a diagnosed fish disease
I don't disagree. I'll give that some more thought. Both from a practical matter of how much work it would take and how it would be received by those who feel since every fish they receive is likely to be sick QT and treatment belong together.
I agree it’s a difficult one, but sometimes boundaries need changing to prevent things from becoming self fulfilling
