Adding Micro Elements to TM CarboCalcium

[Rybren]

I have a package of Aqua Forest "Strong" Micro Elements and was wondering which of them (if any) could be added to my solution of CarboCalcium (Calcium Formate) without causing precipitation or other issues. The AF Strong has 4 bottles of elements as follows:

Component A Strong
Component contains concentrated strontium and barium. The amount of strontium and barium depends on requirements for magnesium and calcium. 5 ml should be added to 1 litre of ready solution of calcium chloride.

Component B Strong
Component contains concentrated heavy metals. (Iron, Manganese, Copper, Zinc, Nickel, Chromium) The amount of heavy metals
depends on requirements for magnesium and calcium. 5 ml should be added to 1 litre of ready solution of calcium chloride.

Component C Strong
Component contains concentrated iodide and fluoride. The amount of iodide and fluoride depends on requirements for calcium. 5 ml should be added to 1 litre of ready solution of sodium bicarbonate.

Component K Strong
Component contains concentrated potassium. The amount of potassium depends on requirements for magnesium and calcium. 5 ml should be added to 1 litre of ready solution of magnesium chloride and mineral salt.

Any Chemists out there willing to hazard a guess? @Randy Holmes-Farley thoughts?

Thanks.

 

[GoVols]

I have a package of Aqua Forest "Strong" Micro Elements and was wondering which of them (if any) could be added to my solution of CarboCalcium (Calcium Formate) without causing precipitation or other issues. The AF Strong has 4 bottles of elements as follows:

Component A Strong
Component contains concentrated strontium and barium. The amount of strontium and barium depends on requirements for magnesium and calcium. 5 ml should be added to 1 litre of ready solution of calcium chloride.

Component B Strong
Component contains concentrated heavy metals. (Iron, Manganese, Copper, Zinc, Nickel, Chromium) The amount of heavy metals
depends on requirements for magnesium and calcium. 5 ml should be added to 1 litre of ready solution of calcium chloride.

Component C Strong
Component contains concentrated iodide and fluoride. The amount of iodide and fluoride depends on requirements for calcium. 5 ml should be added to 1 litre of ready solution of sodium bicarbonate.

Component K Strong
Component contains concentrated potassium. The amount of potassium depends on requirements for magnesium and calcium. 5 ml should be added to 1 litre of ready solution of magnesium chloride and mineral salt.

Any Chemists out there willing to hazard a guess? @Randy Holmes-Farley thoughts?

Thanks.

Are you using those to make DIY Aquaforest Comp-1+ 2+ and 3+ / Fulling Balling?

 

[Rybren]

No. I'm currently using TM CarboCalcium and someone gave me the AF Strong Components. Just trying to see if I can add them to it and come up with a quazi-DIY All For Reef.

 

[GoVols]

Here you go / It has TM K and A trace elements

TM already has an DIY and it provides available trace elements as where Full Balling does not.

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But, I'd leave out the mag part in that mixture. Just dose mag on a need basis.

The 3rd part in full Balling...

(NaCl) free sea salt. It contains all the other basic components found in natural seawater, such as Magnesium, Calcium, Potassium, Bromine, Fluorine, Barium, Iodine, and trace elements.

NaCl free salt is one of the most important components of the Balling method, and it plays a significant role when Calcium Chloride and Sodium Bicarbonate supplementation is in place.

It is a common misconception among reefers that administering NaCl free salt is primarily supposed to replenish trace elements. The main task of Sodium Chloride free salt is to maintain ionic balance of aquarium water.

 

[GoVols]

Those AF components are to make AF comp 1+ 2+ 3+

 

[Rybren]

Those AF components are to make AF comp 1+ 2+ 3+

I know, but I have them and wanted to see if I could use them with the CarboCalcium.

Thank you for your input. Appreciate it.

 

[GoVols]

I know, but I have them and wanted to see if I could use them with the CarboCalcium.

Thank you for your input. Appreciate it.

Yeah,
I think Randy is the guy you need.

Have a great evening...

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

I think all of those things specifically mentioned in the first post are compatible with both calcium and formate and with each other with the exception of the fluoride. It will potentially precipitate as calcium fluoride, depending on how much is added, and that may be why it is stated to mix into the alk part where all the others are put into the calcium/magnesium part.

There is also some possible concern about unlisted ingredients (say, designed to increase the shelf life), otherwise, I'm not sure why they do not mix them together themselves.

 

[Rybren]

I think all of those things specifically mentioned in the first post are compatible with both calcium and formate and with each other with the exception of the fluoride. It will potentially precipitate as calcium fluoride, depending on how much is added, and that may be why it is stated to mix into the alk part where all the others are put into the calcium/magnesium part.

There is also some possible concern about unlisted ingredients (say, designed to increase the shelf life), otherwise, I'm not sure why they do not mix them together themselves.

Thank you Randy. Do you think that a calcium fluoride precipitate would cause any issues?

I try adding all 4 components to my carbocalcium solution as a trial and will report back.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Thank you Randy. Do you think that a calcium fluoride precipitate would cause any issues?

I try adding all 4 components to my carbocalcium solution as a trial and will report back.

It will settle to the bottom and not get dosed. Other than that, not an issue.

 

[Rybren]

It will settle to the bottom and not get dosed. Other than that, not an issue.

Great. Thank you Randy. I don't know where this hobby would be without you.