Algae Scrubber and refugium, same/same or different?

Thanx for post atol. Good stuff. Hard to tell if any noise with that overflow
Thanks, appreciate it. I can assure you there is no noise from my ATS and I wasnt going to turn my return pump off and let the tank drain down to stop the draining noise. However with my cabinet doors closed you can't hear any noise emanating from inside the cabinet.
 
I made a mistake a couple of posts. I stated I maintain my waterfall ATS in around 5 minutes. I have just done a quick video and timed how long it took me 3mins 55 seconds.
Does your skimmer production significantly increase for a time after screen cleaning Atoll ?
 
Does your skimmer production significantly increase for a time after screen cleaning Atoll ?
Can't say it does to be honest. I will try and pay particular attention to it when I do my next harvest Tuesday or Wednesday and let you know, if I remember that is.
 
Can't say it does to be honest. I will try and pay particular attention to it when I do my next harvest Tuesday or Wednesday and let you know, if I remember that is.
The reason I ask is; Dana Riddle told me about when he ran his coral farms. He used skimmers & the old school horizontal style Adey algae scrubbers. When servicing the scrubbers he would scrape off the excess algae on the screens, rinse them under fresh water, put them straight back into the system, and then his skimmers would go nuts for an hour or more.
I later read some science on algae (Ulva) in the tidal zone, & realised why this was happening.

When Dana cleaned the screens it stressed the algae, & rinsing the algae under fresh water stressed it even more. When algae gets stressed they release a lot of exudates (DOC) for a given period of time, & the skimmers would be processing this sudden influx of organic compounds released into the system.

I don't run a skimmer or GAC. After I clean my screen, & I mow it right down till you can see the plastic, I rinse it in fresh water, but then I sit it in a small container of aquarium water for 15 to 30 minutes while its stressed out.
 
The reason I ask is; Dana Riddle told me about when he ran his coral farms. He used skimmers & the old school horizontal style Adey algae scrubbers. When servicing the scrubbers he would scrape off the excess algae on the screens, rinse them under fresh water, put them straight back into the system, and then his skimmers would go nuts for an hour or more.
I later read some science on algae (Ulva) in the tidal zone, & realised why this was happening.

When Dana cleaned the screens it stressed the algae, & rinsing the algae under fresh water stressed it even more. When algae gets stressed they release a lot of exudates (DOC) for a given period of time, & the skimmers would be processing this sudden influx of organic compounds released into the system.

I don't run a skimmer or GAC. After I clean my screen, & I mow it right down till you can see the plastic, I rinse it in fresh water, but then I sit it in a small container of aquarium water for 15 to 30 minutes while its stressed out.
Harrr right. Well.my skimmer certainly doesn't kick off like that if at all. My Ulva is only under the cold water tap a short time and after harvest there is only a short length left on the screen around 1/2". Perhaps if there where more Ulva on the screen the Ulva would release DOC or whatever would cause my skimmer to go nuts.
 
Harrr right. Well.my skimmer certainly doesn't kick off like that if at all. My Ulva is only under the cold water tap a short time and after harvest there is only a short length left on the screen around 1/2". Perhaps if there where more Ulva on the screen the Ulva would release DOC or whatever would cause my skimmer to go nuts.
Dana grew several varieties of genuine 'turf' algae on his screens, as opposed to Ulva. The effect may have been more pronounced because of this ?
 
Dana grew several varieties of genuine 'turf' algae on his screens, as opposed to Ulva. The effect may have been more pronounced because of this ?
Well, I used to grow GHA or turf and I do get some on the screen with the Ulva but the Ulva is much the dominant algae. I found the Ulva grew much faster than GHA under the same conditions.
 
Yes, Ulva is the Alpha algae for filtration
It is also arguably of course the most easily of algae to grow although those with GHA in their DT may argue against it.
I stumbled on Ulva as said quite accidentally around 3 years ago and the rest as they say is history.
 
Scrubber Steve,
Where is your tank located in your house, and how much of a pH increase are you seeing by running an ATS?
I'd love to see pictures of your ATS and your tank if possible?

To everyone else running an ATS, are you seeing a pH bump? If so, how much of a bump, and where is your tank located in your house?
 
Scrubber Steve,
Where is your tank located in your house, and how much of a pH increase are you seeing by running an ATS?
I'd love to see pictures of your ATS and your tank if possible?
My tank is in the middle of my home, adjacent to the kitchen, in a main living area. My pH is always 8.2 to 8.3.
I measure pH with a meter I calibrate with seawater. My pH is the same prior to display lights on, as it is to display lights full, as it is to room empty - windows open, as it is to room full of people - windows closed - gas cook top on.

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I made a mistake a couple of posts. I stated I maintain my waterfall ATS in around 5 minutes. I have just done a quick video and timed how long it took me 3mins 55 seconds.
Good evening, I would like to say that was a very educational video! I always thought that you were supposed to scrape the scrubber screen down to the plastic. You have just shown me once again that there are many ways to get to the same results! Do you find that leaving some of the algea on the screen instead of scraping it clean helps to have it grow quicker and better? Where did you come up with the technique of just trimming it with a pair of scissors? Thanks
 
Scrubber Steve,
Where is your tank located in your house, and how much of a pH increase are you seeing by running an ATS?
I'd love to see pictures of your ATS and your tank if possible?

To everyone else running an ATS, are you seeing a pH bump? If so, how much of a bump, and where is your tank located in your house?
My tank is in the front living room we go into in the evening mainly.
I don't have a continuous PH monitor sorry.
My new tank has not been set long but here is a pic and one of my previous tank I first had the scrubber on 18 months ago.
Another of my ATS on the sump.
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Good evening, I would like to say that was a very educational video! I always thought that you were supposed to scrape the scrubber screen down to the plastic. You have just shown me once again that there are many ways to get to the same results! Do you find that leaving some of the algea on the screen instead of scraping it clean helps to have it grow quicker and better? Where did you come up with the technique of just trimming it with a pair of scissors? Thanks

Good point , great idea. Always scraped it off with plastic blade. No wonder it took me longer then 3 min 44 seconds
 
Good evening, I would like to say that was a very educational video! I always thought that you were supposed to scrape the scrubber screen down to the plastic. You have just shown me once again that there are many ways to get to the same results! Do you find that leaving some of the algea on the screen instead of scraping it clean helps to have it grow quicker and better? Where did you come up with the technique of just trimming it with a pair of scissors? Thanks
Thank you. Yes trimming it back to within 1/2" of the screen seems to give it a better start, well not start exactly as it still very much growing. Just by seeing the amount I harvest every 4 or 5 days shows how well the Ulva recovers.
Regarding how I came up with the idea. I do a bit of gardening and some of the plants benefit from being trimmed back to encourage new growth, so I thought why not try it with the Ulva in my scrubber after all I have nothing to loose.
 
Good point , great idea. Always scraped it off with plastic blade. No wonder it took me longer then 3 min 44 seconds
3 mins 55 seconds. I could have done it quicker mind lol.
However, many people experience slime growing on their screen long before GHA and IME needs to be scraped off. What surprises me is that nobody seems to have thought about just trimming the GHA or Ulva back rather than hard scraping it back to the screen. All seems quite logical to me. I thought it must have been tried and discarded as a failure as trimming the algae was never mentioned on any of the ATS forums.
Would be good to hear from others who do similar to me how they find it.
I have been mentioning my method on various ATS and marine reefkeeping forums inc 3 on Facebook for quite some time now so I know others now do this.
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just curious... do u guys run ur scrubber 24 hours a day? ive been doing that and is having issue with po4 being undetectable always. long run i know its not good. thinking to actually running less hours with it. would u guys recommend me to run it opposite of my tank's photoperiod?
 
just curious... do u guys run ur scrubber 24 hours a day? ive been doing that and is having issue with po4 being undetectable always. long run i know its not good. thinking to actually running less hours with it. would u guys recommend me to run it opposite of my tank's photoperiod?
I run the water feed 24/7 as you must. The LED lights are currently on for 20 hours. I have them on through the night with an overlap either side of my DT lights. So for 4 hours in the middle of my DT light cycle my scrubber LEDs are off.
 
just curious... do u guys run ur scrubber 24 hours a day? ive been doing that and is having issue with po4 being undetectable always. long run i know its not good. thinking to actually running less hours with it. would u guys recommend me to run it opposite of my tank's photoperiod?
When the light is on photosynthesis is occurring and PO4 & NO3 are assimilated into the algae, i.e. removed from the water. If you want PO4 & NO3 levels to be higher have the light on less than 24/7.
It's not the norm to run a scrubber lights 24/7. You can run them just 7 hours a day. It all depends on what level you want to keep NO3 & PO4 at.
 

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