Algea help

[Thoax]

Looking for some help guys, My tank is about 6-7 months old and im starting to get this algae on my rocks. I have tested all my paramators and this is what they are at.

Salt - 34
Temp - 78-79
Cal - 400
Alk - 9.0dKH
MG - 1080
PH - 8
No3 - 0
Po4 - o
No2 - 0
Ammonia - 0

In the tank i have 2 clown fish, lawn blenny, cleaner shrip, blood shrimp and a cleaning crew of mixed snails and hermit crabs but they don't seem to be doing anything. I also just got in the Red sea Mixed reef care package and was wondering should i start using it or should i wait till i get this algae under control, Im also guessing i should stay away from their nopox seeing as all those readings are 0...

Also should i increase feeding in the tank to try and rise the NO and PO levles or will this just feed the algae more?

Dose anyone have any recommendations on what i should do or try, I can't pull the rock out as it is all cemented together.

 

[reeferfoxx]

Looking for some help guys, My tank is about 6-7 months old and im starting to get this algae on my rocks. I have tested all my paramators and this is what they are at.

Salt - 34
Temp - 78-79
Cal - 400
Alk - 9.0dKH
MG - 1080
PH - 8
No3 - 0
Po4 - o
No2 - 0
Ammonia - 0

In the tank i have 2 clown fish, lawn blenny, cleaner shrip, blood shrimp and a cleaning crew of mixed snails and hermit crabs but they don't seem to be doing anything. I also just got in the Red sea Mixed reef care package and was wondering should i start using it or should i wait till i get this algae under control, Im also guessing i should stay away from their nopox seeing as all those readings are 0...

Also should i increase feeding in the tank to try and rise the NO and PO levles or will this just feed the algae more?

Dose anyone have any recommendations on what i should do or try, I can't pull the rock out as it is all cemented together.

This looks like a strain of chrysophytes.

For now, I would work on building up nutrients. The thing about dry rock tanks is that people neglect to realize that it has to establish stages of algae. We are immediately excited about adding coral after the nitrogen cycle and assume from then on, we can avoid all green algae. Unfortunately, it doesn't quite work like that.

With this type of algae, it will persist until you create an environment to out compete it. We start with nutrients. I suggest dosing nutrients. Brightwells NeoNitro and Seachems Phosphorus are my go-tos. Once you get your nutrients up, you can perform a 3 day black out since this algae is photosynthetic. Doing that will knock it back enough to hopefully get other algae to grow.

 

[Thoax]

This looks like a strain of chrysophytes.

For now, I would work on building up nutrients. The thing about dry rock tanks is that people neglect to realize that it has to establish stages of algae. We are immediately excited about adding coral after the nitrogen cycle and assume from then on, we can avoid all green algae. Unfortunately, it doesn't quite work like that.

With this type of algae, it will persist until you create an environment to out compete it. We start with nutrients. I suggest dosing nutrients. Brightwells NeoNitro and Seachems Phosphorus are my go-tos. Once you get your nutrients up, you can perform a 3 day black out since this algae is photosynthetic. Doing that will knock it back enough to hopefully get other algae to grow.

Ok I’ll take a look at those companies just wondering tho should I start the Red Sea reef care program or wait till the algae is under control? Also with the 2 day blackout how will this effect the corals?

 

[reeferfoxx]

Ok I’ll take a look at those companies just wondering tho should I start the Red Sea reef care program or wait till the algae is under control? Also with the 2 day blackout how will this effect the corals?

Can you tell me all the products you have in correlation to red Sea reef care?

The 3 day black out wouldn't be any different than a 3 day cloudy/stormy weather. The only effect on coral would be a lack up alk, ca, and mag uptake. Otherwise harmless if performed once.

 

[Thoax]

Can you tell me all the products you have in correlation to red Sea reef care?

The 3 day black out wouldn't be any different than a 3 day cloudy/stormy weather. The only effect on coral would be a lack up alk, ca, and mag uptake. Otherwise harmless if performed once.

Major Elements | Ca, Mg & Alk

• Foundation A – CALCIUM+
• Foundation B – KH/ALKALINITY
• Foundation C – MAGNESIUM

Trace & Minor Elements

• Trace-Colors A|B|C|D

(Combo Pack)

Dose according to Calcium uptake

Algae Management

• NO3PO4-X - Wont be using this one

Coral Nutrition

• Reef Energy A
• Reef Energy B

 

[Thoax]

The 3 day black out wouldn't be any different than a 3 day cloudy/stormy weather. The only effect on coral would be a lack up alk, ca, and mag uptake. Otherwise harmless if performed once.

Was also going to ask you, Do you think i should shut down the lights for the 3 days in the tank and run the refuge light 24/7 for the cheato so it will start to out preform the algae in the tank?

 

[cracker]

The lights can stay where they are pretty much. Until You get the No3/P04 up a little the chaeto can't grow much. I had this same stuff before.

 

[reeferfoxx]

Major Elements | Ca, Mg & Alk

• Foundation A – CALCIUM+
• Foundation B – KH/ALKALINITY
• Foundation C – MAGNESIUM

Trace & Minor Elements

• Trace-Colors A|B|C|D

(Combo Pack)

Dose according to Calcium uptake

Algae Management

• NO3PO4-X - Wont be using this one

Coral Nutrition

• Reef Energy A
• Reef Energy B

The only thing here that would provide any nutrients would be the reef energy. Though, it won't be the right kind. Amino acids have to be consumed before they provide any targeted benefit for this situation. What I'm specifically targeting is inorganic nutrients in excess. The chaeto refugium will most likely combat our goal here but you can keep it running with dosing more than required.

Was also going to ask you, Do you think i should shut down the lights for the 3 days in the tank and run the refuge light 24/7 for the cheato so it will start to out preform the algae in the tank?

Keep in mind we need nutrients up befor considering the black out. Plus, you'll have to manually remove as much of the algae as possible. This can be achieved with a toothbrush, turkey baster, and some serious filtration. The chrysophytes are very mulmish and clog quickly in filter floss or a conister filter. Once you finish manual removal then the black out can begin. You'll need some extra trash bags to cover the tank. No light can get inside the display.

I'll tell you I fought this for 6 months before a plan was devised.

This is another recent chrysophyte thread you can follow for additional information.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/dinos.446791/

 

[Subsea]

Following along.

@reeferfoxx

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/chrysophytes-help-me-cure-it.263759/

When I goggled chrysophytes, I found a link to your thread on this website. It is interesting.

I found this description that works for me:
Introduction to Chrysophytes

Filamentous Algae Colony
[ Chrysophytes are plant-like protists that can be found in marine and freshwater environments which are often low in calcium. There are three main types of chrysophytes: diatoms (bacillariophyta), golden-brown algae (chrysophyceae), and yellow-green algae (xanthophyceae). Although many are unicellular and free swimming, some chrysophytes, like the dynobryon above, join together and form colonies, like the filamentous algae colony to the right.
There are over 1000 described species of Chrysophytes, and, because there are so many species, there is no common cell structure shared by them. Some species have cell walls made of cellulose strengthened by silica compounds, while others are amoeboid without any cell walls.]


http://www.edc.uri.edu/restoration/html/gallery/plants/phyto.htm
This link says some interesting things about Dino’s:

[The predominant forms of phytoplankton are diatoms, golden brown algae, green algae, blue green algae, and dinoflagellates. Over 20,000 species of diatoms alone exist in the world. They have an exoskeleton composed of silica and have no means of locomotion.]

Isn’t blue green algae Cyanobacteria? None of my 47 years of reefing would have lead me to that both
Cyno & Dino are types of phytoplankton.

 

[reeferfoxx]

Isn’t blue green algae Cyanobacteria? None of my 47 years of reefing would have lead me to that both
Cyno & Dino are types of phytoplankton.

Yes but if you dig deeper into the cyanobacteria rabbit hole, you'll find that not all cyano is long strands that we see under the scope. Some look like little round dots similar to plankton. Of course region and environmental factors dictate the forms.