Alk and pH are crazy high while cycling

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The levels of both are literally off the color charts. The pH is a deep blue that would require another 3 inches of chart! Alk is at ~300, which seems insane.

Is this normal while cycling? I've been cycling for ages now, and ammonia just will not drop. Nitrites are 0, nitrates are at 20, and ammonia has held steady (despite a few doses of biospira) for well over a month now.
 
What salt are you using, and you aren't dosing anything to the tank at this point correct?

Also, what test kits are you using?
 
I used Sera for ph and strips for all, although I have a Salifert kit on the way.

I’m using Instant Ocean Reef Crystals, and there’s currently no bioload.
 
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What are you using as a way to measure the salinity in your water? If you have to much salt in your system those other things will be high. But yea, get some real test kits.
 
I agree.

I use IORC also and it's pretty consistent when mixing with fresh RODI water to be in the 10-11 DKH range or 3.2-3.75 meq/L alkalinity.

BRS has a nice study/video on this as well. I can't imagine anything naturally existing in a new tank would drive up these numbers so would say the values are likely high but not off the charts per the current test results. Maybe bring a sample to your LFS and ask them to test.
 
I've had some weird variables -- there was metal in the tank because I bought it used and didn't know better yet (copper pipe on the return), there was a die-off of a bunch of snails and a couple of crabs (which either arrived dead or died instantly upon hitting the tank -- see the afore-mentioned copper), and I'm using a Home Depot RODI unit, which I'll be replacing with a 7-stage BRS unit next week.

I've got some very dark Cuprisorb from pulling the copper out as well.

I'm not impatient or anything, I'd like to get as many dumb mistakes as possible out of the way before I add anything else alive -- if it takes me 4 months to get everything dialed in and stable I'm OK with that, I'm just trying to learn as much as I can up front.

What are you using as a way to measure the salinity in your water? If you have to much salt in your system those other things will be high. But yea, get some real test kits.

I have a refractometer, and have been sticking around 1.025-1.027. I'm working on my lids for the sump and tank to dial in the evaporation to the point that the ATO keeps it as stable as possible.

In general, pH and alkalinity are not high during cycling, unless you are adding large amounts of ammonia as NH3.

I was using flake food to add ammonia at the beginning, but the CUC die-off drove it up over 4ppm for a while. There's definitely no ammonia in my RODI water (or tap water, for that matter).

It's been back down to "warning" level on my Seachem badge for at least a month now, but refuses to turn yellow. I've also verified the testing with Salifert ammonia tests. Meanwhile, my QT has been able to burn through 2ppm ammonia overnight for weeks.

Patience -> learning -> repeat
 
Given this scenario, alk and pH are not actually high unless you added something not mentioned, or the salinity is way too high.

If ammonia was at zero you would feel OK putting a couple of fish into this tank? I'm thinking of starting with either a lawnmower blenny (feeding nori until enough algae gets going) or maybe a couple of firefish -- either way I'll need a lid, as they're both apparently jumpers.
 
One thing you mentioned is.. you have a Home Depot RODI.. That is a RED FLAG. 1st That is a RO unit.. NO DI at all. Home depot doesn’t sell RODI systems. They only sell RO systems. So you have water that has not been De Ionized. Also your TDS (total desolved solids) will likely be high. Those added minerals can cause some of your higher readings.

Depending on the home depot unit, you may only need to add Deionization canisters.. Not everyone needs a 7 stage set up. It really depends on your water.
 
One thing you mentioned is.. you have a Home Depot RODI.. That is a RED FLAG. 1st That is a RO unit.. NO DI at all. Home depot doesn’t sell RODI systems. They only sell RO systems. So you have water that has not been De Ionized. Also your TDS (total desolved solids) will likely be high. Those added minerals can cause some of your higher readings.

Depending on the home depot unit, you may only need to add Deionization canisters.. Not everyone needs a 7 stage set up. It really depends on your water.

Oh my god, you're right! I'm on a well, and we have very hard water. You're right, it might be overkill to go that far.
 
With a good, new Salifert test my dkh is at 8.5, so I'm fine.

Meanwhile, I have a 6-stage RODI unit arriving from BRS on Thursday.cWe have very hard water from our well.

Thanks for the help, everyone!
 

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