Alk, Ca, and Par meter!

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Hey guys can you tell me what are your ALK CA, and PAR METER of your tank?
Not everyone here has a par meter, but if you do can you tell me Or post a picture of your tank with the par meter numbers?
Im running around 300 to 400 par meter mostly on 300 range. My ALK is 12, an my CA is stuck on 400.
Couple SPS's starting to bleach the tips. Alk/CA are dosed with a doser every 3hrs.
Thank you.
 
I have a mixed reef with alk at 9.5 cal at 450 mg 1380 and my par is 175 top 55 sand bed... I have a few SPS that are doing great at thoes levels
 
These are my recommendations for calcium and alkalinity:

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/o...-reef-aquarium-by-randy-holmes-farley.173563/

Calcium

Many corals use calcium to form their skeletons, which are composed primarily of calcium carbonate. The corals get most of the calcium for this process from the surrounding water. Consequently, calcium often becomes depleted in aquaria housing rapidly growing corals, calcareous red algae (coralline algae), Tridacnids (clams) and Halimeda (a macroalgae containing calcium carbonate). As the calcium level drops below 360 ppm, it becomes progressively more difficult for these organisms to collect enough calcium, thus stunting their growth.

Maintaining the calcium level is one of the most important aspects of coral reef aquarium husbandry. Most reef aquarists try to maintain approximately natural levels of calcium in their aquaria (~420 ppm). It does not appear that boosting the calcium concentration above natural levels enhances calcification (i.e., skeletal growth) in most corals.

For these reasons, I suggest that aquarists maintain a calcium level between about 380 and 450 ppm, although higher is generally not a problem until it gets so high that calcium carbonate precipitation becomes problematic. Aquarists with a very light demand may be able to maintain calcium with water changes, especially since some salt mixes have excessive calcium in them. But most established aquaria with growing hard corals and coralline algae will require some calcium supplementation, and in some cases, it might be needed every day.

I usually suggest using a balanced calcium and alkalinity additive system for routine maintenance. The most popular of these balanced methods include limewater (kalkwasser), calcium carbonate/carbon dioxide reactors, and the two-part or three-part additive systems for calcium and alkalinity. If calcium is depleted and needs to be raised significantly, however, such balanced methods are not a good choice since they will raise alkalinity too much. In that case, adding calcium chloride is a good method for raising calcium in a one-time correction.

Alkalinity

Like calcium, many corals also use "alkalinity" to form their skeletons, which are composed primarily of calcium carbonate. It is generally believed that corals take up bicarbonate, convert it into carbonate, and then use that carbonate to form calcium carbonate skeletons. That conversion process is shown as:

HCO3- → CO3-- + H+

Bicarbonate → Carbonate + proton (which is released from the coral)

To ensure that corals have an adequate supply of bicarbonate for calcification, aquarists could just measure bicarbonate directly. Designing a test kit for bicarbonate, however, is somewhat more complicated than for alkalinity. Consequently, the use of alkalinity as a surrogate measure for bicarbonate is deeply entrenched in the reef aquarium hobby.

So, what is alkalinity? Alkalinity in a marine aquarium is simply a measure of the amount of acid (H+) required to reduce the pH to about 4.5, where all bicarbonate is converted into carbonic acid as follows:

HCO3- + H+ → H2CO3

The amount of acid needed is equal to the amount of bicarbonate present, so when performing an alkalinity titration with a test kit, you are “counting†the number of bicarbonate ions present. It is not, however, quite that simple since some other ions also take up acid during the titration. Both borate and carbonate also contribute to the measurement of alkalinity, but the bicarbonate dominates these other ions since they are generally lower in concentration than bicarbonate. So knowing the total alkalinity is akin to, but not exactly the same as, knowing how much bicarbonate is available to corals. In any case, total alkalinity is the standard that aquarists use for this purpose.

Unlike the calcium concentration, it is widely believed that certain organisms calcify more quickly at alkalinity levels higher than those in normal seawater. This result has also been demonstrated in the scientific literature, which has shown that adding bicarbonate to seawater increases the rate of calcification in some corals. Uptake of bicarbonate can consequently become rate limiting in many corals. This may be partly due to the fact that the external bicarbonate concentration is not large to begin with (relative to, for example, the calcium concentration, which is effectively about 5 times higher).

For these reasons, alkalinity maintenance is a critical aspect of coral reef aquarium husbandry. In the absence of supplementation, alkalinity will rapidly drop as corals use up much of what is present in seawater. Water changes are not usually sufficient to maintain alkalinity unless there is very little calcification taking place. Most reef aquarists try to maintain alkalinity at levels at or slightly above those of normal seawater, although exactly what levels different aquarists target depends a bit on the goals of their aquaria.

Interestingly, because some corals may calcify faster at higher alkalinity levels, and because the abiotic (nonbiological) precipitation of calcium carbonate on heaters and pumps also rises as alkalinity rises, the demand for alkalinity (and calcium) rises as the alkalinity rises. So an aquarist generally must dose more calcium and alkalinity EVERY DAY to maintain a higher alkalinity (say, 11 dKH) than to maintain 7 dKH. It is not just a one-time boost that is needed to make up that difference. In fact, calcification gets so slow as the alkalinity drops below 6 dKH that reef aquaria rarely get much below that point, even with no dosing: natural calcification has nearly stopped at that level.

In general, I suggest that aquarists maintain alkalinity between about 7-11 dKH (2.5 and 4 meq/L; 125-200 ppm CaCO3 equivalents). Many aquarists growing SPS corals and using Ultra Low Nutrient Systems (ULNS) have found that the corals suffer from “burnt tips†if the alkalinity is too high or changes too much. It is not at all clear why this is the case, but such aquaria are better served by alkalinity in the 7-8 dKH range.
As mentioned above, alkalinity levels above those in natural seawater increase the abiotic precipitation of calcium carbonate on warm objects such as heaters and pump impellers, or sometimes even in sand beds. This precipitation not only wastes calcium and alkalinity that aquarists are carefully adding, but it also increases equipment maintenance requirements and can “damage†a sand bed, hardening it into a chunk of limestone. When elevated alkalinity is driving this precipitation, it can also depress the calcium level. An excessively high alkalinity level can therefore create undesirable consequences.

I suggest that aquarists use a balanced calcium and alkalinity additive system of some sort for routine maintenance. The most popular of these balanced methods include limewater (kalkwasser), calcium carbonate/carbon dioxide reactors, and the two-part/three part additive systems.

For rapid alkalinity corrections, aquarists can simply use baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) or washing soda (sodium carbonate; baked baking soda) to good effect. The latter raises pH as well as alkalinity while the former has a very small pH lowering effect. Mixtures can also be used, and are what many hobby chemical supply companies sell as “buffersâ€. Most often, sodium carbonate is preferred, however, since most tanks can be helped by a pH boost.
 
I'm good with those readings but my magnesium is 1600ppm should I be concerned?


That's OK, but I would not add any more (assuming it is accurate).

Do you know how it got elevated, and how did you test it?
 
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And many of us have no issues with Redsea kits at all. Just saying [emoji6]

I would certainly hope that is the case, but how do you or anyone else know you are getting correct readings without using multiple kits or some sort of testing standard? For some reason, their mag kit seems to give divergent results from others when people do multiple tests.

That said magnesium testing in general leads people to results that cannot possibly be anything except testing error. Like magnesium dropping 200 ppm between tests, then going back up again with no dosing.
 
So now you're gonna make me order a different test kit so I can compare. Lol. Which is actually a sound and great idea.
5yrs I've used no other kit but Redsea. Any suggestions? [emoji2]
 
Here's one persons magnesium kit comparisons:

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/b...yos-elos-salifert-api-hanna-triton-awt.234660

from it (I edited a bit):

Magnesium (all on same water sample):
Red Sea: 2080
Elos: 1350
Nyos: 1440
Salifert: 1470
AWT A: 1540
AWT B: 1560
Triton A: 1475
Triton B: 1468

Mini Retest of different water (reduced salinity/magnesium):
Red Sea Mg Pro: 1800
Elos: 1250
Salifert: 1380



Magnesium:
I do not know why I keep trying Red Sea Mg Pro. I have given it many chances and not once have I gotten a reliable number. I've gotten very low and very high results in the past and now. Of all the kits and places this is one that I trust the least and most frustrated with. I've been happy with all the other Red Sea testing kits. This makes the Calcium, Alk, Mg bundle to me to be not worth it.

Elos Mg kit was also off but on the lower side. It could be the 2 phase approach which I do not like at all. Way to much room for error. Elos PO4 Pro kit was awesome and Calcium and Alk in line with the others. So, this was kind of disappointing.

Salifert. This really just solidifies Salifert as that overall winner here. It's nailed it in all three of these parameters and many others. It may not be my go to for everything but I know I can count on Salifert if I ever needed too. If someone wanted to stick with a single brand for all tests Salifert is it. more then enough accuracy, high enough resolution, and consistent. Could not ask more of a hobby grade kit. I would even stack it up against the "professionals" (ahem AWT...)

Here's the magnesium comparison:
 

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