Alk dropping at a rapid rate!

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Feeling a bit bamboozled, reef chemistry is doing me a hecking hard time.

Tank is 22 gallon, probably about 35 gallons water volume with the sum. SPS dominated (there are a lot of growing pieces in a small display.) The tank is about a year old this month. I don't do anything other than water changes, skim heavy, lots of light, lots of flow.

After adding a few more SPS pieces, I started to use ESV for dosing.

I first started dosing at the start of August (the 9th.) Here's what's been happening, all dosing has been by a bubble magus, unless noted by hand. Also note: I thought I had incredibly high calcium and low alk, that was user error with my testing Salifert, my calcium was actually probably fine, so for a period of time I was only dosing for alk, which was low. I am using the Hannah Checker for alk.

I got my alk up from 6 dKH by hand dosing, and hooked up the bubble magus on 8/27, here are my readings after figuring out that my corals were using about 7ml of ESV for alk a day.

8/28 - 8.16
8/29 - 7.77
8/30 - 7.60
8/31 - 7.60
9/1 - 7.71
9/8 - 7.82
9/13 - 7.60 I also decided to check my calcium, and found it was 380. No fast changes made, did a 7 gallon water change with Reef Crystals.
9/14 - 7.43
9/17 - 7.71 (Calcium was only up to 390 with water change) Dosed ESV part B do bring calc up, all at once)
9/24 - 7.1 (Calcium is now at 490)
9/26 - 6.87 (had to leave for work, so I setup the doser to do 14ml per day (double what I was dosing) but also dose about 10ml by hand, didn't have time to test alk.
9/28 - Had friend test alk - 6.09!
Had them dose 10ml of Alk solution (ESV) and test 10 minutes later, 6.75

Do those alk numbers make sense? It would seem with the steady decline, I should have upped ml per day, but it seems like such a rapid jump recently almost dropping a full dKH in two days, and the weird 9/1-9/8 scenario in which It seemed I was dosing too much.

One of my small nubs of millie is bleaching, but otherwise, everything else seems to be handling OK, considering I've flexed inbetween 6-8 over the past month and a half.
 
Following... I have a similar thing happen to me with my calcium off the charts and 6.3 dKH. My dKH is now around 8.0 to 8.3 but calcium is still very high. Might be the salt mix (Fritz Reef Pro).
 
Following... I have a similar thing happen to me with my calcium off the charts and 6.3 dKH. My dKH is now around 8.0 to 8.3 but calcium is still very high. Might be the salt mix (Fritz Reef Pro).

Ah, but be wary, my off the charts calcium was user error on the testing kit, so I let my calcium drop because I thought it was too high.
 
Similar thing happened to me. Basically what happened is growth kind of exploded all of a sudden and i needed to keep upping ESV till i was able to achieve stability. I was checking alk at the same time everyday for about 2 weeks slowly till i found balance!
 
This is really interesting. Sorry to hear that this is happening brother! I’m not one to help when it comes to this dosing but the one thing I find odd is you dose things based upon the numbers you see which is what may be throwing things off.

For an example if you just dose calcium to raise calcium. Your alk will lower. But then if you try to dose just alk, your calcium will drop. Hence why we call it two part. You want to always dose equal parts of both. Trying to chase numbers will drive you crazy. That’s why I found a salt that makes me happy and then I keep up those number by dosing equal parts of two part. I’m not sure if this is making much sense but if it helps. I can send you an article that helped me out a lot. If this you already knew, my apologies lol
 
Any nutrient fluctuations by chance that could be causing this? I had big swings in alk (as much as 1dkh in a day) when increasing NO3 or decreasing PO4 levels. Are you using GFO and maybe changed it out around the time of that drop?
 
Similar thing happened to me. Basically what happened is growth kind of exploded all of a sudden and i needed to keep upping ESV till i was able to achieve stability. I was checking alk at the same time everyday for about 2 weeks slowly till i found balance!

That might be the case, I think if my alk numbers start going UP then I need to cut back on the dosing, but as long as they are steady going down, I'll keep upping it.

This is really interesting. Sorry to hear that this is happening brother! I’m not one to help when it comes to this dosing but the one thing I find odd is you dose things based upon the numbers you see which is what may be throwing things off.

For an example if you just dose calcium to raise calcium. Your alk will lower. But then if you try to dose just alk, your calcium will drop. Hence why we call it two part. You want to always dose equal parts of both. Trying to chase numbers will drive you crazy. That’s why I found a salt that makes me happy and then I keep up those number by dosing equal parts of two part. I’m not sure if this is making much sense but if it helps. I can send you an article that helped me out a lot. If this you already knew, my apologies lol

I understand the 2 part design is to dose equal amounts of each solution, however, that believe that will change with every tank as consumption for both will differ no matter what.

Any nutrient fluctuations by chance that could be causing this? I had big swings in alk (as much as 1dkh in a day) when increasing NO3 or decreasing PO4 levels. Are you using GFO and maybe changed it out around the time of that drop?

Nope, I only have 2 small fish and feed frozen exclusively, same food for the past year, same amount. There's no refugium, there is no GFO, carbon, etc. I'm a big fan of the KISS method. I would say though I used to do a 5 gallon water change once a week, but I don't do that now trying to figure out numbers while testing, as I think it skews things.
 
FWIW i was attempting to dose alk and cal independantly with Red Sea products and it was really hard. I got the ESV 2 part and dose them equal. What i have seen is my cal and mag stay exactly where they were the week before. I would suggest dosing them equally and letting them find a balance. Test your fresh saltwater, dose the tank independantly to get the levels where your fresh salt water is then start dosing equal. Dont test cal or mag for a week but test alk daily at the same exact time everyday. Adjust your 2 part dosing according to the consumption to maintain the levels. My life has gotten soo much easier since i did that. Now i test alk every 2 to 3 days, i test cal once a week, and i test mag whenever i feel like doing so. Its amazing how your cal and mag will stay put when you dose the ESV equally!
 
Or you could get rid of that two part headache by switching to Kalk on a dosing pump.

What does stand out to me is your 7 gal water change using Reef Crystals on a total volume of 30 gallons. The dkh of that salt is probably about 12. I am not a numbers guy but I would bet your dkh would be somewhere in the high 8s after that big of a water change and find it hard to believe your Alk was lower the next day. That seems really off too me. Unless you have some really big SPS colonies and a ton of coralline growth.
 
Or you could get rid of that two part headache by switching to Kalk on a dosing pump.

What does stand out to me is your 7 gal water change using Reef Crystals on a total volume of 30 gallons. The dkh of that salt is probably about 12. I am not a numbers guy but I would bet your dkh would be somewhere in the high 8s after that big of a water change and find it hard to believe your Alk was lower the next day. That seems really off too me. Unless you have some really big SPS colonies and a ton of coralline growth.

You’re right, my alk is mixing low with RC, I’m using new reagents btw, and a digital refractometer for salinity. There’s a lot of SPS, and a bit of coraline, but probably not a shocking amount. It is a smaller system that’s packed.

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The alk drop of the OP is not at all high. In fact, it is fairly low.

7 mL of B-ionic in 35 gallons boosts alk 0.5 dKH.

The drop you see is less than another 0,5 dKH per day.

So total 1 dKH per day.

Even a soft coral tank can use 2 dKH per day. :D
 
The alk drop of the OP is not at all high. In fact, it is fairly low.

7 mL of B-ionic in 35 gallons boosts alk 0.5 dKH.

The drop you see is less than another 0,5 dKH per day.

So total 1 dKH per day.

Even a soft coral tank can use 2 dKH per day. :D

Well, I checked my doser, turns out the pumps are not primed anymore. Curious, but I think my doser needs new tubes in the heads. Now I've got to start all over and see how long it was dosing and how long it wasn't.
 

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