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I been testing my water for two weeks now and my alk seems dorps from 9.4dkh to 7.7dkh in less then two days is that's normal ? I just want to keep above 9 Everthing else is fine . Temp at 80 my mag is at 1410ppm and my cal is at 450 ppm . I just don't get why my alk drops so fast . Can anybody give me some advice ? I would appreciated.
 
I had the same problem for a while in my tank. I just finally ended up dosing alk to maintain it. If the tank isnt cloudy it isn't precipitating out, so it should be getting used.

How new is the tank and what type and amount of coral?
 
Alkalinity, and calcium drop at the same rate, but the numbers used in the testing system for alkalinity make it appear to drop faster than calcium. (I wish that I could explain this properly, but I am no reef chemist!) Alkalinity would drop that much in my system in 2 days. The corals are using it.
 
Sounds like your tank is consuming faster than you are replenishing . How are you dosing? Most of us that I have lots of coral are having to dose multiple times a day with dosing pump to keep up the demand.
 
What's in the tank and how large is it?
Mine if my doser isn't going will drop a point a day easy as in from 8.0 to 7.0 in 24hrs. But I have a lot of SPS in my tanks without many stony corals it drops much slower around a point a week
 
my tank it's a 40 b with a 20 gal sump . It's being running for about 2 years . I have a few sps but it's mainly zoas I have about 60 different frags of zoas . I been manually dosing 2 part and testing just to see how much it drops . I just wanted to see if that was normal that alk dropped that fast . I think I'm going to need a dosing pump to keep up .
 
Yes, it is normal for alkalinity to drop that fast (~1 dKH per day). In some tanks it drops much faster, even with only soft corals because coralline algae is also a big user. :)

This has more:

https://www.reef2reef.com/forums/re...-coral-reef-aquarium-randy-holmes-farley.html

from it:

Alkalinity

Like calcium, many corals also use "alkalinity" to form their skeletons, which are composed primarily of calcium carbonate. It is generally believed that corals take up bicarbonate, convert it into carbonate, and then use that carbonate to form calcium carbonate skeletons. That conversion process is shown as:

HCO3- → CO3-- + H+

Bicarbonate → Carbonate + proton (which is released from the coral)

To ensure that corals have an adequate supply of bicarbonate for calcification, aquarists could just measure bicarbonate directly. Designing a test kit for bicarbonate, however, is somewhat more complicated than for alkalinity. Consequently, the use of alkalinity as a surrogate measure for bicarbonate is deeply entrenched in the reef aquarium hobby.

So, what is alkalinity? Alkalinity in a marine aquarium is simply a measure of the amount of acid (H+) required to reduce the pH to about 4.5, where all bicarbonate is converted into carbonic acid as follows:

HCO3- + H+ → H2CO3

The amount of acid needed is equal to the amount of bicarbonate present, so when performing an alkalinity titration with a test kit, you are “counting†the number of bicarbonate ions present. It is not, however, quite that simple since some other ions also take up acid during the titration. Both borate and carbonate also contribute to the measurement of alkalinity, but the bicarbonate dominates these other ions since they are generally lower in concentration than bicarbonate. So knowing the total alkalinity is akin to, but not exactly the same as, knowing how much bicarbonate is available to corals. In any case, total alkalinity is the standard that aquarists use for this purpose.

Unlike the calcium concentration, it is widely believed that certain organisms calcify more quickly at alkalinity levels higher than those in normal seawater. This result has also been demonstrated in the scientific literature, which has shown that adding bicarbonate to seawater increases the rate of calcification in some corals. Uptake of bicarbonate can consequently become rate limiting in many corals. This may be partly due to the fact that the external bicarbonate concentration is not large to begin with (relative to, for example, the calcium concentration, which is effectively about 5 times higher).

For these reasons, alkalinity maintenance is a critical aspect of coral reef aquarium husbandry. In the absence of supplementation, alkalinity will rapidly drop as corals use up much of what is present in seawater. Water changes are not usually sufficient to maintain alkalinity unless there is very little calcification taking place. Most reef aquarists try to maintain alkalinity at levels at or slightly above those of normal seawater, although exactly what levels different aquarists target depends a bit on the goals of their aquaria.

Interestingly, because some corals may calcify faster at higher alkalinity levels, and because the abiotic (nonbiological) precipitation of calcium carbonate on heaters and pumps also rises as alkalinity rises, the demand for alkalinity (and calcium) rises as the alkalinity rises. So an aquarist generally must dose more calcium and alkalinity EVERY DAY to maintain a higher alkalinity (say, 11 dKH) than to maintain 7 dKH. It is not just a one-time boost that is needed to make up that difference. In fact, calcification gets so slow as the alkalinity drops below 6 dKH that reef aquaria rarely get much below that point, even with no dosing: natural calcification has nearly stopped at that level.

In general, I suggest that aquarists maintain alkalinity between about 7-11 dKH (2.5 and 4 meq/L; 125-200 ppm CaCO3 equivalents). Many aquarists growing SPS corals and using Ultra Low Nutrient Systems (ULNS) have found that the corals suffer from “burnt tips†if the alkalinity is too high or changes too much. It is not at all clear why this is the case, but such aquaria are better served by alkalinity in the 7-8 dKH range.
As mentioned above, alkalinity levels above those in natural seawater increase the abiotic precipitation of calcium carbonate on warm objects such as heaters and pump impellers, or sometimes even in sand beds. This precipitation not only wastes calcium and alkalinity that aquarists are carefully adding, but it also increases equipment maintenance requirements and can “damage†a sand bed, hardening it into a chunk of limestone. When elevated alkalinity is driving this precipitation, it can also depress the calcium level. An excessively high alkalinity level can therefore create undesirable consequences.

I suggest that aquarists use a balanced calcium and alkalinity additive system of some sort for routine maintenance. The most popular of these balanced methods include limewater (kalkwasser), calcium carbonate/carbon dioxide reactors, and the two-part/three part additive systems.

For rapid alkalinity corrections, aquarists can simply use baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) or washing soda (sodium carbonate; baked baking soda) to good effect. The latter raises pH as well as alkalinity while the former has a very small pH lowering effect. Mixtures can also be used, and are what many hobby chemical supply companies sell as “buffersâ€. Most often, sodium carbonate is preferred, however, since most tanks can be helped by a pH boost.
 
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Get your levels to where you want them to be. Once they all hit the target numbers test ------> Then wait one full week(7days) test again
If your number for cal was 430 and 1 week later its 400 then your tank used 30ppm See how much cal solution you need to make that 30ppm up and divide it by 7 that will be your dose per day for 7 days.
 
1 thing I have noticed is if your using GFO to remove po4 your alk will drop that fast also. GFO also absobs alk as well as po4.
This happens with my tank. With gfo being used my alk would drop 1.3dkh in 2 days, when I take the reactor offline it takes 2 weeks to drop the same amount.
Just something to keep in mind
 
1 thing I have noticed is if your using GFO to remove po4 your alk will drop that fast also. GFO also absobs alk as well as po4.
This happens with my tank. With gfo being used my alk would drop 1.3dkh in 2 days, when I take the reactor offline it takes 2 weeks to drop the same amount.
Just something to keep in mind

Actually, most types of GFO won't bind "alkalinity". That is, carbonate or bicarbonate.

GFO can induce the precipitation of calcium carbonate on it and just downstream of it, and reducing phosphate may also increase calcification by some corals.

Both of those effects can reduce alkalinity. :)
 
Are you dosing ALK / Calcium? If not it probably is time to take the plunge. I did and it has helped stabilize everything. Now its just a matter of time for the corals to regain colors.
 
Get your levels to where you want them to be. Once they all hit the target numbers test ------> Then wait one full week(7days) test again
If your number for cal was 430 and 1 week later its 400 then your tank used 30ppm See how much cal solution you need to make that 30ppm up and divide it by 7 that will be your dose per day for 7 days.

If I waited a week between dosings my corals would most likely be dead. I would check every 24 hours and see whats happening with your ALK/CA. Doesn't mean you have to dose to bring it right back up but dont wait until either is out of an acceptable range.
 
If I waited a week between dosings my corals would most likely be dead. I would check every 24 hours and see whats happening with your ALK/CA. Doesn't mean you have to dose to bring it right back up but dont wait until either is out of an acceptable range.
your tank is most likely fully established & I don't think I recommended this for you
 

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