Alkalinity is 5.6!!!!!!

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So I had to leave for two weeks, and before I left I spent an hour putting all my supplements into a series of syringes, and then putting 5 syringes of each supplement into 14 bags, telling my tank sitter to put everything in all 5 syringes in each bag into the water each day. I've been struggling with hair algae for several months, cutting it back, trying to get better mastery over nitrates and phosphates, and having it grow back. I thought before I left I was getting it under reliable control, though not yet victorious.

When I got back home, I find all the bags full (i.e. tank has not been supplemented for two weeks), lots of algae all over the tank (though oddly one area of rock has good coraline and macro algae, unlike before I left when it had light hair algae), and a number of corals dead. Skimmer was not running. Alkalinity is 5.6 dkh



I intend to add a good amount of my three part supplement (ATI essentials @ATI North America please tell me if this is advisable), raising alkalinity by 0.5 dkh for five days until it's back above 8.0. Friday afternoon I intend to remove a lot algae. Also, I intend to stop carbon dosing until I see nitrates increase substantially.



Any further suggestions, or pitfalls that people can identify? (Calling #reefsquad and the general r2r public). One thing is that the pH is stable despite the low alkalinity (maybe because the algae is absorbing all the CO2?), and I'm worried taking too much algae out at once, while the Alkalinity is low would cause pH fluctuations.




Tank: 29 gallons
Light: Kessil 360 and 160, go up to 100 for like 6 hours a day, and then ramp up and down for another 6. Formerly the 360 was at 50% color, now both are at 0% color (i.e. they are all blue).

Supplementing before, daily:
10ml vinegar
5ml acropower
2ml of the three ATI essentials supplements

Pre-trip measurements:
DKH roughly 8.0 (Hanna. I used this frequently and the measurements always basically matched my ICP tests)
Ca 470 (salifert)
Mg 1470 (Salifert)
pH: haven't measured in a long time
Nitrate: functionally 0 (Salifert)
Phosphates: 0.00 (ie not measureable on Hanna 713)

Current measurements:
Alk: 5.6
Ca: 370
Nitrate: 0
Phosphates: 0.00, 0.12, 0.16 (Hanna again. Discrepancy between three measurements, but I don't see them as "too high")

Livestock losses:
1 green slimer (totally bleached, was all green when I left)
1 tricolor valida (had STN right before I left; fragged a piece which was doing OK in the two days I had to observe it)
1 of two shortcake type acros (smothered by algae and presumed gone. This one had around 300 par and little direct flow)
2 different stylos (one of which was growing but bleached, another doing well)

Hanging on:
1 Pocillopora damicornis, placed right in the flow of a Jebao pump. It's been growning well right there for three months. When I returned it was smothered in algae; i removed it and it's bleached but the polyps are still mostly out.

1 Yoda acro (Acropora pichoni). This has not been doing well for several months, heavily bleached but growing decently (while the orignal owner had it solid green). I attribute this to not understanding its lighting, and I'm going to give it less now.

Doing OK:
1 other shortcake type acro (same as the one that died). This one was getting less light (guestimate 150-200par) and probably more direct random flow; but it has no algae growing on it and looks like it's grown. Color is darker than before, where I bleached it giving it too much light.

1 monti dig - had lots of problem with this frag STN; this is the surviving tip has grown.

1 "ash and trash" formerly purple acro I got several pieces of for free at a frag swap months ago. Most frags RTN'd in like 3 days after i took them home; one frag stayed on. It's now gone from purple to bright green under the Kessil Blue.

2 Millie frags have turned from brown to heavily flourescent green under the Kessil blue.

1 porites lobata, I got as a frag the week before I left (I would not have taken it before leaving if it weren't for the fact I've been looking for this species and finally found one)

a group of green explosion palys on a rock. They seem to be unchanged.

Doing well:
1 Porites branneri which came as a hichhiker on live rock. Seems to have further encrusted while I was out.

1 Favites pentagona war coral, whose head has grown maybe 30% and has further encrused the rock I placed it on. Coralites were wide open all night today.


No non-coral livestock deaths. These include:
Rainsford Goby
Firefish
Yellow Headed Jawfish
2 clownfish
Maxima clam. I was surprised by its condition; its shell has lots of algae but it otherwise looks well.
Ostensibly 13+ snails, of which I see 3-4 at any given time, but it's hard to count population.
 
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A few days ago my sps frag tank holding all my acros hit 3.8-4.5 dKH. I planned to bring my alk up as you described but accidentally went to 6.5 in 24 hours. I had a few members suggest to do that anyway.

I saw signs of RTN in one colony so far. I caught it early, fragged it up and so far all frags are holding strong. Fingers crossed as I know sps can react poorly wel after the swing.
I plan to get back to 8.5 over the next week or so. Currently at 7dKH

Hopefully you have minimal losses and didn't pay that reef sitter.
 
Hopefully you have minimal losses and didn't pay that reef sitter.

Well, now the reef sitter has to seriously listen when I propose getting a dosing system. :D

But yeah, I know @Randy Holmes-Farley suggests that alkalinity can go up 1.0 DKH a day without much problem. But I’d still like to take it slower......
 
Just happened to me after leaving my alk dosing pump off for a few day s after a cleaning. I fell to 5.3 dKH; I've done exactly as you have planned to do by bumping it .5 dKH a day and nothing seems worse for wear from the experience. Sorry to hear about the losses. It's possible some of the issues you are having with your livestock may not be related to the drop in alk.

I also had an alk spike not to long ago so I've now covered the entire spectrum of alk issues. :rolleyes: For me, I'm going to try to use my bad luck as a good excuse to get a calc reactor! :D

Good luck on the recovery!
 
Unfortunately forum rules do not allow for me to suggest *significant heckling and outbursts* against your tank sitter.. :rolleyes:

We have all been there. My father-in-law was supposed to tank sit and mow the lawn for a two week vacation a few years back. Came home to 25% of my water evaporated and the only survivor being a YWG. Luckily it was a nano tank so the amount of things lost was not significant; however, devastating nonetheless. Oh, and the grass was 8" tall....

As for the recommendations... I think your plan is excellent (and your initial syringe plan genius by the way). Here are some other things I would keep in mind:
  1. I agree on raising alk slowly; however, I would get it to "6.5-7dkh" over the course of the next day.
  2. 0.5 dkh for each remaining day until you hit your 7.5-8 dkh range, agreed.
  3. Stop dosing once you hit your ideal number and test daily. I'd expect there not to be much alk consumption as the coral have likely stopped uptake due to stress.
  4. Keep a close eye on nitrates and phosphates. I'd expect to see some level of a spike in each due to the deaths. Best not to over-react to these spikes though. Slow changes.
Good luck and keep us informed as you go!
 
Thanks, all. Based on Ati’s instructions, about 100ml of ATI essentials is necessary to bring it to my desired alkalinity range. (36ml/100L to bring a 110L tank up 2.5dkh)

Dumped in 20ml this morning. Per @ihavecrabs , I am going to probably put in another 20 tonight, which theoretically should get me into the 6.5 to 7 range today.

Also, started the skimmer again. Before there was a lot of junk floating around on the surface. But now much of that is dissipated presumably because of the skimmer.

The fish seem quite hungry. They were much more active than normal. I did tell the fish sitter to feed very very sparsely, so I think that at least happened.

Here’s how it looks now:
 
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Thanks for the interest. Just got home from being out all day. But I have been monitoring the situation.

I've added 100ml of ATIe since Friday (all three elements, since my Ca is also low. 20 Friday AM, 20 Friday PM, 20 Saturday AM, 20 Sunday AM, 20 Monday AM). Sunday's alkalinity (measured in the evening) is 7.3, Monday (today) is 7.7. I'm going to add 20ml more tomorrow, and then maintain it at around 8.2. (Again, using the Hana checker, which has a margin of error of around 0.3 dkh. Will get a Ca and phosphate/nitrate reading tomorrow.

Ph is only a bit lower, which is good i think since i removed so much algae (aka co2 absorbtion as corrected by Randy)

I cleared out a load of GHA Friday; clearing it off the sand bed, scrubbing it off aquacultured rock and the glass, dipping dry rock without anything on it in a 50/50 salt water/H2O2 mix. Not all of it's gone yet, but I think I took out 90%.

Since the clear out on Friday, the two ocellari and the tridacna maxima are fine, the Jawfish has gone into hiding (but I know where it is), the firefish is not out so much, and the rainsford goby hid under the war coral's rock and has not been seen since. (worried about the latter, but not the others).

The corals are not in as good a situation. The stylos, the green slimer, one of the poccilloporae, are basically dead. A Millie has been showing RTN, and there's nowhere I can frag it.

Fortunately, the other millie (from the same colony) is doing fine. Another frag from the same pocillopora seems to be doing OK, as do most of the other frags mentioned above. A shortcake acropora also seems fine, another acropora pichoni is doing about as well as before (I may frag it, posting in a seperate thread).

And the war coral keeps expanding.....

 
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Eeeek... Maybe some paid sitters next time? My cat sitters do a good job following directions even though they don't have fish and they send me pictures. I am sure they dont want to lose my business though.

Goodluck on the recovery.
 
Update on this: I've gotten alkalinity back up to approximately 8, I'll bring it up to 8.3 with baking soda and then keep it there. Calcium is now 480 while magnesium is over 1500 (unmeasurable with the salifert kit).

Nitrate and phosphate were 0.5 and unmeasurable, with the salifert kits. There is light algae repopulation on several rocks that were dipped in a 50/50 saltwater and hydrogen peroxide mix. I am having I believe cyano on some areas, but not so many

I still think a lot of corals are goners, and the remainder are not out of the woods yet (save the war coral, which continues to do well).

Anyway, this has been a disaster overall, but we'll see what the final casualties are. I won’t count them for another week or two

FTS to come in the morning.

 
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Update on this: I've gotten alkalinity back up to approximately 8, I'll bring it up to 8.3 with baking soda and then keep it there. Calcium is now 480 while magnesium is over 1500 (unmeasurable with the salifert kit).

Nitrate and phosphate were 0.5 and unmeasurable, with the salifert kits. There is light algae repopulation on several rocks that were dipped in a 50/50 saltwater and hydrogen peroxide mix. I am having I believe cyano on some areas, but not so many

I still think a lot of corals are goners, and the remainder are not out of the woods yet (save the war coral, which continues to do well).

Anyway, this has been a disaster overall, but we'll see what the final casualties are.

FTS to come in the morning.
Sorry to hear that. Hopefully the remainder of your coral pull through.
 

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