Alkalinity Variance

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I'm running the Triton Method and according to Triton I am to keep my parameters at:
Alkalinity 8
Calcium 440
Magnesium 1370
(Everything is GREAT with these parameters)

I know I can have slightly off parameters.
What would happen if I or anyone else not running Triton change their parameters
I'm curious how a tank with 11 dkh or 8 dkh differs...
Are corals brighter, do they grow faster, slower, more polyp extension...etc
Same goes for Calcium or Magnesium.
So a friend of mine is running his alkalinity at 11 dkh. It just got me to thinking why did he choose to run his tank at that level, is it just his salt, did he choose that number.
Is 8-11 dkh just the best range we know to mimic saltwater and that's the end of it?

Thanks.


Edit: Did I miss a forum or post somewhere that explains this in layman's terms?
 
All i know is at 11 dkh corals can pale compared to 8 dkh. And at higher magnesium levels ive read a particular coral to grow slower.
 
All i know is at 11 dkh corals can pale compared to 8 dkh. And at higher magnesium levels ive read a particular coral to grow slower.
Yes,
In running higher alk you can get faster sps growth but in most cases you will lose their colors.

Used to run the Red Sea Program for faster sps growth and it worked but my colors faded and browned out.
I was not using the Red Sea Colors program at that time, so I really don't know if it would make a difference in holding their colors ;Cow

When I went back to a lower alk my coral colors came back :)

Have no clue :confused: how the Triton method would respond with an 11 to 12.5 dkh.
 
This copy and paste from one of my articles addresses how alk relates to coral growth:

Unlike the calcium concentration, it is widely believed that certain organisms calcify more quickly at alkalinity levels higher than those in normal seawater. This result has also been demonstrated in the scientific literature, which has shown that adding bicarbonate to seawater increases the rate of calcification in some corals. Uptake of bicarbonate can consequently become rate limiting in many corals. This may be partly due to the fact that the external bicarbonate concentration is not large to begin with (relative to, for example, the calcium concentration, which is effectively about 5 times higher).

For these reasons, alkalinity maintenance is a critical aspect of coral reef aquarium husbandry. In the absence of supplementation, alkalinity will rapidly drop as corals use up much of what is present in seawater. Water changes are not usually sufficient to maintain alkalinity unless there is very little calcification taking place. Most reef aquarists try to maintain alkalinity at levels at or slightly above those of normal seawater, although exactly what levels different aquarists target depends a bit on the goals of their aquaria.

Interestingly, because some corals may calcify faster at higher alkalinity levels, and because the abiotic (nonbiological) precipitation of calcium carbonate on heaters and pumps also rises as alkalinity rises, the demand for alkalinity (and calcium) rises as the alkalinity rises. So an aquarist generally must dose more calcium and alkalinity EVERY DAY to maintain a higher alkalinity (say, 11 dKH) than to maintain 7 dKH. It is not just a one-time boost that is needed to make up that difference. In fact, calcification gets so slow as the alkalinity drops below 6 dKH that reef aquaria rarely get much below that point, even with no dosing: natural calcification has nearly stopped at that level.

In general, I suggest that aquarists maintain alkalinity between about 7-11 dKH (2.5 and 4 meq/L; 125-200 ppm CaCO3 equivalents). Many aquarists growing SPS corals and using Ultra Low Nutrient Systems (ULNS) have found that the corals suffer from "burnt tips" if the alkalinity is too high or changes too much. It is not at all clear why this is the case, but such aquaria are better served by alkalinity in the 7-8 dKH range.
As mentioned above, alkalinity levels above those in natural seawater increase the abiotic precipitation of calcium carbonate on warm objects such as heaters and pump impellers, or sometimes even in sand beds. This precipitation not only wastes calcium and alkalinity that aquarists are carefully adding, but it also increases equipment maintenance requirements and can "damage" a sand bed, hardening it into a chunk of limestone. When elevated alkalinity is driving this precipitation, it can also depress the calcium level. An excessively high alkalinity level can therefore create undesirable consequences.
 
This copy and paste from one of my articles addresses how alk relates to coral growth:

Unlike the calcium concentration, it is widely believed that certain organisms calcify more quickly at alkalinity levels higher than those in normal seawater. This result has also been demonstrated in the scientific literature, which has shown that adding bicarbonate to seawater increases the rate of calcification in some corals. Uptake of bicarbonate can consequently become rate limiting in many corals. This may be partly due to the fact that the external bicarbonate concentration is not large to begin with (relative to, for example, the calcium concentration, which is effectively about 5 times higher).

For these reasons, alkalinity maintenance is a critical aspect of coral reef aquarium husbandry. In the absence of supplementation, alkalinity will rapidly drop as corals use up much of what is present in seawater. Water changes are not usually sufficient to maintain alkalinity unless there is very little calcification taking place. Most reef aquarists try to maintain alkalinity at levels at or slightly above those of normal seawater, although exactly what levels different aquarists target depends a bit on the goals of their aquaria.

Interestingly, because some corals may calcify faster at higher alkalinity levels, and because the abiotic (nonbiological) precipitation of calcium carbonate on heaters and pumps also rises as alkalinity rises, the demand for alkalinity (and calcium) rises as the alkalinity rises. So an aquarist generally must dose more calcium and alkalinity EVERY DAY to maintain a higher alkalinity (say, 11 dKH) than to maintain 7 dKH. It is not just a one-time boost that is needed to make up that difference. In fact, calcification gets so slow as the alkalinity drops below 6 dKH that reef aquaria rarely get much below that point, even with no dosing: natural calcification has nearly stopped at that level.

In general, I suggest that aquarists maintain alkalinity between about 7-11 dKH (2.5 and 4 meq/L; 125-200 ppm CaCO3 equivalents). Many aquarists growing SPS corals and using Ultra Low Nutrient Systems (ULNS) have found that the corals suffer from "burnt tips" if the alkalinity is too high or changes too much. It is not at all clear why this is the case, but such aquaria are better served by alkalinity in the 7-8 dKH range.
As mentioned above, alkalinity levels above those in natural seawater increase the abiotic precipitation of calcium carbonate on warm objects such as heaters and pump impellers, or sometimes even in sand beds. This precipitation not only wastes calcium and alkalinity that aquarists are carefully adding, but it also increases equipment maintenance requirements and can "damage" a sand bed, hardening it into a chunk of limestone. When elevated alkalinity is driving this precipitation, it can also depress the calcium level. An excessively high alkalinity level can therefore create undesirable consequences.

Randy,

Just want to add... if your carbon dosing above 8.5 to 9 dkh you'd better keep enough nutrients / organics in your water column for protection against burnt tips :)

Have you ever heard that it you maintain a reef at a high mag of 1400 to 1420, that your coral growth will slow down?

Thanks, Freddie
 
Randy,

Just want to add... if your carbon dosing above 8.5 to 9 dkh you'd better keep enough nutrients / organics in your water column for protection against burnt tips :)

Have you ever heard that it you maintain a reef at a high mag of 1400 to 1420, that your coral growth will slow down?

Thanks, Freddie

I've never heard or seen evidence that elevated magnesium is any concern for coral growth.

My post included "Many aquarists growing SPS corals and using Ultra Low Nutrient Systems (ULNS) have found that the corals suffer from "burnt tips" if the alkalinity is too high or changes too much. It is not at all clear why this is the case, but such aquaria are better served by alkalinity in the 7-8 dKH range." :)
 

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