Amino Acid and it's Effects

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Since Acro Power seems to be the new hot Amino Acid on the market I found this article that really breaks down what Amino Acid is and it's effect on corals.
Aquarium Corals: Amino Acids and Corals: Sources, Roles and Supplementation ? Advanced Aquarist | Aquarist Magazine and Blog


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I'm doing the recommended for the volume I have so 20ml a week but I break it in half over two days and at night when the lights go out.
 
Good article which most of it was gleaned from some scientific articles that have been around over the years.

An important point brought up in the article is that when Acros feed they send out those digestive filaments to absorb their food. They are actively trying to eat......polyp extension on the other hand, doesn't mean feeding, it's more of a response......smililar to a dog salivating, but without the saliva..........with saliva for a coral means messiral filaments present and active feeding like below.

I would have liked to have a video of this coral as the filaments were way more heavy and easy to see.......and by the way, this was from the juices and feeding PE mysis to my fish, which also likely carries all the essential amino acids in those shrimp and juices.


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From my experiences, when it comes to Acros, unless your corals are pastel or pale, dosing commercial products is not needed and it isn't going to increase color or growth. You'll get more out of getting the correct form of lighting with respect to sepctrum and par. if your running a fully populated reef with fish and corals it's possible to have the opposite effect and brown out corals.

Now, when it comes to zoas and goniopora, non-photo corals, I'm more intrigued that they have value.

As far as LPS......just look at their mouths............do you really think they want or need to take up amino acids when you can feed them meaty food directly that have all the aminos in them. A big mouth or body design like that isn't made to suck aminos out of the water column. They create a lot a surface area to catch plenty of light and have big mouths to capture large food pieces.
 
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I wrote this up in the other thread and think it fits good here for someone looking for more info----

Amino acids contain Nitrogen in a molecule form..........when you dose it, that molecule breaks down and this is where the nitrates are created. That's a layman's explanation and why slime algae can thrive. They are very good at sequestering nitrate because they are bacteria, not algae.

Sellers of AA get away with saying their product doesn't contain Nitrates aren't lying, but they also aren't telling you the truth. In the bottle there aren’t any nitrates, but as soon as you dose that in your tank it creates nitrate.

The acros bacteria that take in those needed aminos might be happy, but so will many other bacteria strains in the tank. This is basically what happens when people carbon dose.........many strains of bacteria take advantage and grow including unwanted slime bacteria that's photosynthetic.

If you take what I just said, it's obvious why anyone running Zeo or carbon dosing may see better/desirable results...........the abundant nitrate eating bacteria are sucking up the nitrates from the aminos and at the same time the corals are getting some aminos they need. They are both in competition for those nitrates as well as the slime bacterias. Because of different variables from tank to tank, certain bacteria will win out. In a Zeo tank you get a leg up because these tanks are constantly adding the "good" bacteria to win the battle and at the same time the corals are in hyper drive because they are getting starved out.

One thing to keep in mind is that corals can create approx 16 of the 21 required aminos they need on their own. The few they don’t get from the zoo they get from fish food and other nutrients that are added or plankton that may grow in the tank.

Soooo ……….if you’re dosing an AA supplement that you have no clue what it contains, you could be adding 21 aminos and the corals only need 5 or 1 or maybe none. Guess who sucks up all those unwanted aminos? Slim algae,cyano, and other unwanted bacteria strains, as well as just regular pest algae that also feeds off the bacteria and nitrate.

There are no magic potions…..some people will see some type of success or results and some won’t. In general terms, if you have pastel starved acros they’re going to benefit.

Most coral vendors run with very few fish or low bioloads so it’s obvious why they can see better results with Acropower or any other AA than someone running a full populated reef with a normal livestock population.

You may think…….what the heck it’s $12 or whatever, nothing to lose really. Just keep in mind you’ve made a change at the bacterial level and your system is going to react good or bad. It’s not something you’re going to see on a test kit………. by then the change is already entrenched and this can take you down a road of chasing numbers or throwing in chemicals to get rid of the bad stuff. It’s there now, it’s not just going to disappear because you stopped dosing the new super coral food.

Or maybe things will improve or nothing will happen………..just know the implications going in.

Also think in terms of months not what happened in two weeks……….remember the old adage………….good things take a long time to happen in a reef tank.

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-04/rhf/index.php#15

http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1843218/bacterial_food_supplements_for_small_algae/?source=r_sciencehttp://www.coral-shop.com/news.php?id=143

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1218179/

http://www.biocyclopedia.com/index/plant_protocols/amino_acids_proteins/nitrogen_analysis_by_micro-Kjeldahl_method.php

http://www.coral-shop.com/news.php?id=143


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Never heard of amino acids splitting off in water. Normally they just rearrange an electron. Could you explain the process that you're talking about?
 
I'm not even going to begin to try to explain somehthing like that, as I'm no chemist. I said in" layman terms" that they break down.......I didn't say split off. I you want to use the term "rearrange" then maybe you can explain what is happening better than me.

All amino acids contain nitrogn and contribute to the aomount off nitrate that is available in the water column................it's cited in many articles and studies.

If you want to dig and search for what exactly is happening on a molecular level maybe there is something available.
 
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Without getting too much into areas that I don't fully understand….. AP is increasing the colors in my SPS system. I have a lot of fish, feed often, and have heavy export. My colors were excellent before I began using AP, deep colors. My first time using AP I had a cyano outbreak. I stopped dosing for 6 weeks letting various bacteria eliminate the cyano. Once cyano was gone I began dosing again and saw an increase in vibrance within in a few days. I have some stubborn frags that have been coloring up at a faster rate as well. I don't believe that AP is as good as it's hyped up to be, but it does make enough of a difference in my system that I will continue dosing it for now.
 
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I'm not even going to begin to try to explain somehthing like that, as I'm no chemist. I said in" layman terms" that they break down.......I didn't say split off. I you want to use the term "rearrange" then maybe you can explain what is happening better than me.

All amino acids contain nitrogn and contribute to the aomount off nitrate that is available in the water column................it's cited in many articles and studies.

If you want to dig and search for what exactly is happening on a molecular level maybe there is something available.


All amino acids contain N. Yes that's a given. But that Nitrogen molecule is bonded, it's not like you're dumping in straight NO3. An amino group is actually NH2. The amino group gets broken down during metabolism. Here is an article that touches on the difference. Amino acids aren't nitrate.

Amino acids
 

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