Amino acids like fuel or energy required?

[guitaris70]

Are amino acids and vitamin supplements like aqua vitro fuel and red sea energy required when feeding reef roids? Tanks just some Lps and soft corals all frags right now besides a large Galaxea

 

[masssnapz]

No they are not required but I do have to say that acropower or or any of the amin acid additives dosed beforehand really make sps feeders extend pretty far.

 

[guitaris70]

So you would say dosing them before a feeding is what you should do for best feeding response?

 

[guitaris70]

And are they only really for sps or would they benefit LPS. And soft corals ?

 

[masssnapz]

And are they only really for sps or would they benefit LPS. And soft corals ?

I cant answer that as I only have sps.

 

[guitaris70]

Thanks hopefully someone else can put in some input before I drop money on that supplement

 

[Anirban]

You really dont need it with that kind of stocking but you can increase feeding if you think they need more food.

 

[reeferfoxx]

Thanks hopefully someone else can put in some input before I drop money on that supplement

Amino acids like AcroPower were found to provide a good amount of nitrogen. It will raise nitrates. And yes your SPS will love it.

 

[guitaris70]

You really dont need it with that kind of stocking but you can increase feeding if you think they need more food.

I plan to stock more but only soft coral and LPS

 

[guitaris70]

Amino acids like AcroPower were found to provide a good amount of nitrogen. It will raise nitrates. And yes your SPS will love it.

I'm only doing LPS and soft corals would fuel increase nitrates then? Because I don't really want an increase on nitrates lol

 

[reeferfoxx]

I'm only doing LPS and soft corals would fuel increase nitrates then? Because I don't really want an increase on nitrates lol

The fuel will increase no3 also but, it's like dosing amino acids with trace elements and added vitamins.

If you need nitrates, you dose for them. I keep mine around 2-5ppm. However I just dose potassium nitrate.

 

[guitaris70]

I use No3 Pox right now from Red Sea would using that in combination with fuel or acropower be useless then? And would you say that aminos and vitamins accelerate coral growth?

 

[reeferfoxx]

I use No3 Pox right now from Red Sea would using that in combination with fuel or acropower be useless then?

Yes. Carbon dosing would be counteractive. Your OP asked about reef roids also? The message there is nutrients in the water column. LPS and soft corals like "dirty" or nutrient rich water. Aminos = nitrates and reef-roids = phosphates. Carbon dosing would help keep nutrients in check, so to speak. If nutrients start increasing, calcification will decrease.

 

[guitaris70]

Yes it did and I was under the impression when researching that corals liked as close to 0 nitrates as possible, and I thought that nitrates were just the byproduct of wastes in the final stage, I thought by dosing No3 Pox that it would keep nitrates and phosphates low and the aminos/vitamins etc would still stay there but You're saying it would also remove the aminos and such from the water? And if the nutrients weren't being removed that calcification would decrease. Sorry just trying to learn I appreciate the responses

 

[guitaris70]

So having too much of a surplus of nutrients would decrease their growth basically ?

 

[Anirban]

I plan to stock more but only soft coral and LPS

The logic is when you run a low nutrient system then feeding coral with amino helps in maintaining the health of the corals but with a system like yours with LPS and soft corals you really dont need to feed them amino. You can increase feeding to keep them healthy or feed your fish more so they poop and thats the best food for your corals.

 

[reeferfoxx]

Good read on Amino Acids
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2014/3/corals
Nitrates
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2003/8/chemistry
Alkalinity and pH
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2002/5/chemistry

 

[scardall]

I use No3 Pox right now from Red Sea would using that in combination with fuel or acropower be useless then? And would you say that aminos and vitamins accelerate coral growth?

I too use NO3PO4 as well plus ME polyp extender. I have used Acropower in the past but found out it wasn't as effective as ME . I now use ME and am glad I switched. Amino's are mainly for a ULNS type system.

 

[Salty1962]

And are they only really for sps or would they benefit LPS. And soft corals ?

Yes, they should help both and yes, it does help get a greater feeding response prior to feeding. I add my aminos @ 10 min. before I feed no need to feed if the corals aren't sweeping for food

 

[mcarroll]

If nutrients start increasing, calcification will decrease.

This is generally portrayed (or interpreted) as a negative thing, but there are indications that this state of "slow growth" is easier on the coral – a positive thing. At least some corals heal from injury more slowly when growing rapidly, for example....and heal more quickly when growing slowly.

I think the fact that corals are natively deep water predators of plankton that have adapted to photosynthesis and mutualism. The adaptations – such as photosynthesizing – are what's most stressful to them.

no need to feed if the corals aren't sweeping for food

Shouldn't be any need to dose aminos to get corals sweeping for food (if that's what's actually happening).

I know ROE hitting the water in my tank makes no visible change in my corals, but the corals that go for that kind of thing don't need any provoking from amino acids or anything else to grab eggs from the water!

In spite of leading/suggestive observations, as far as I know there's no particular association between tentacles and free amino acid intake. All that seems to be required is a tissue surface – tentacles can even be retracted. Tentacles are mostly for prey capture – and in fact, prey capture is associated with reduced or eliminated uptake of dissolved nutrients.

If I were dosing aminos for "scent" (which I would not), I would be dosing tiny amounts....like a single drip per feeding. More would be overdoing it and unnecessary IMO.

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