Ammonia in INSTANT OCEAN REEF CRYSTALS

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First off, I'll just say I'm one sad fish dad. One by one my fish and corals are dying. It's my first reef and my 5 fish were buddies for 2 years. Not a single death until this week.

INSTANT OCEAN REEF CRYSTALS crashed my reef with ammonia. I didn't believe it at first but the tests feel conclusive.

The picture with 2 tubes:
Left: RODI+salt mix (from a pitcher of water with a drop of AmmoLock)
Right: RODI+salt mix

The picture with 1 tube:
Just RODI

Is it in my bucket? Nope, I tested it with a clean pitcher, exact same result. Nothing else touches the water prior to testing.

I have 2 boxes of mix that were ordered several months apart. One brand new, the other about 4 months old. They BOTH produced the same result (as seen in the pic).

All of the tests were done to water that was tank-ready, salinity and temp on par. I'm happy I didn't dump it into the tank but that also mean I'm just letting it die until I get new salt first thing tomorrow. I really hope AmmoLock and bacteria additives can save what little is left (1 clown and a few frags).

My tank is currently testing better than the right tube and worse than the left (forgot to take a photo but it's somewhat irrelevant in this thread).

My question is, how is it possible INSTANT OCEAN REEF CRYSTALS could produce 0.7ppm ammonia seawater? They're just selling poison? Is that not the point when doing a water change, to remove bad stuff while introducing good stuff?

It was traumatic to watch it crash after enjoying it to the max, stuck in a small apartment downtown during a pandemic. However I realize other reefers have incurred much bigger losses and my heart goes out to anyone who has to go through it.

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The tank was running at 80. I wanted it a tad lower but my equipment just wouldn’t dial it in. That heater has since been destroyed and I’m running at 78 now, first time since winter.
Is it possible it got hotter than 82.5 you just didn’t notice?
 
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Is it possible it got hotter than 82.5 you just didn’t notice?
Nope, I log it with a raspberry pi probe into a mysql database (there are certain things I’m good at). 82.5 was the max and it took a long time for my a/c unit to bring it down. Gradually back to 80ish+ over the course of a day. In and out the next day as well but a lesser spike.
 
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@allsite

This is a freshly opened bag of salt correct? I would reach out to IO and see if you have the packaging still which will have a lot #. Quality control for salts is done by random sampling so its far from efficient and does produce defective products. I cannot see this being anything other than an ammonia issue.
 
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@allsite

This is a freshly opened bag of salt correct? I would reach out to IO and see if you have the packaging still which will have a lot #. Quality control for salts is done by random sampling so its far from efficient and does produce defective products. I cannot see this being anything other than an ammonia issue.
I ordered a RedSea ammonia test kit that is apparently much better. I also plan to bring some fresh mix to the lfs for testing. I guess I’ll have to wait and see the results.
 
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Homebrood

is humility in your palette if the badge is still ok in a few hours, what proofs do you need to see there isn’t an issue here? any more after that one is factored

in my opinion any ammonia troubleshooting should involve a prediction before the delivery. safe to say you are calling a pegged kit, again my whole umpire run depends on another nine dollar kit to convince a crowd of stalled cyclers.

one day in the future when all nh3 is digitally discerned we will look back on these posts with great joy.
 
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So many IO users if there was indeed a bad batch, I think it would be widespread and become apparent very quickly.
I got an alarming ammonia test from the api kit from two batches, months apart. This obviously speaks to the possibility of false positive.
 
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I ordered a RedSea ammonia test kit that is apparently much better. I also plan to bring some fresh mix to the lfs for testing. I guess I’ll have to wait and see the results.
I'd still be really interested in the ph as well. My theory is if you have ammonia in your mix then ph may be much lower as well. Would be a double whammy that could easily wipe out your fish. Just my no patterned hunch though.
 
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Would it be wise to run an airstones while dosing lots of bacteria? I read it can deplete o2.
 
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Homebrood

is humility in your palette if the badge is still ok in a few hours, what proofs do you need to see there isn’t an issue here? any more after that one is factored

in my opinion any ammonia troubleshooting should involve a prediction before the delivery. safe to say you are calling a pegged kit, yay again my whole umpire run depends on another nine dollar kit.

one day in the future when all nh3 is digitally discerned we will look back on these posts with great joy.
Bro the badge isn't even OK now. Why are you so obsessed with me.
 
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Would it be wise to run an airstones while dosing lots of bacteria? I read it can deplete o2.
Did you happen to check the unmixed water for ammonia? @Randy Holmes-Farley mentioned that old DI resin has a tendency to release absorbed ammonia at high levels.
 
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I'd still be really interested in the ph as well. My theory is if you have ammonia in your mix then ph may be much lower as well. Would be a double whammy that could easily wipe out your fish. Just my no patterned hunch though.
Mix pictured left, tank right
 

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Honestly I don't think dosing bacteria will do much unless you also add surface area. Airstone is only so o2 can get to the fish gills.
Today I have 3x the amount of Marine Pure gems in the filter as I did yesterday. I tossed the bio balls into the tank as to not lose any of the good guys.
 
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it’s not a rough situation, this is the most normal non fallow non qt reef I’ve ever seen.
 
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