Ammonia THROUGH THE ROOF

[folittle88]

Adding ammonia and bacteria is much safer in a fishless cycle. It is a fine way to get started.

IIRC, Prime will throw off your ammonia readings (high). So I don't think your ammonia is that high; the fish would likely be in distress at 8.

That makes since

 

[Dan_P]

Adding ammonia and bacteria is much safer in a fishless cycle. It is a fine way to get started.

IIRC, Prime will throw off your ammonia readings (high). So I don't think your ammonia is that high; the fish would likely be in distress at 8.

Prime, besides being totally useless for lowering ammonia concentration, interferes with ammonia test kits by causing the test to indicate less ammonia than there is. The ammonia could be higher than 8 ppm.

 

[folittle88]

Prime, besides being totally useless for lowering ammonia concentration, interferes with ammonia test kits by causing the test to indicate less ammonia than there is. The ammonia could be higher than 8 ppm.

Oh dang could be much higher. Sheesh

 

[brandon429]

Post the tank pic, let's see the animals near dying (what true elevated ammonia causes)

 

[brandon429]

Symptomless ammonia noncontrol is the #1 go to for old cycling science

Anything a non digital test kit says is always to be believed no matter what, second tenet.

Also post a pic of a new ammonia reading taken now, let's see the actual color. I bet i find the same color from another misread thread.

 

[brandon429]

The day might come, one day six years from now, where symptoms match the api / Red Sea test kits, just not from any thread anyone here can find from the past. That’s key in my opinion, that this is not a seneye test read panic.

*I do believe there are instances of water bacteria not working after ten days in a stocked, fed and running and perfectly normal looking reef tank it’s just that none of us can determine that off posts like this one here, or others like it:

Ammonia Pegged at 8.0 After 50% Water Change, Nitrate 10ppm, What's is happening!

Okay 2 to 3 days ago everything was fine, normal tank. First sign something was up was my tank got cloudy for about a day, fish seemed lethargic and unwilling to eat. I ran my test and right away I noticed The Ammonia was as high as the test could read, I didn't believe it so I checked my other...

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Who here believes that a nine month reef, fully stocked, highly sensitive starfish in tow, no losses, plants in the display, chock full of rocks cured with coralline was truly at 8ppm? Answer: everyone does if a test kit says it, we agree without any confirmation steps requested whatsoever.

Guess how many symptomless 8ppm ammonia alter threads there are: hundreds

Guess how many seneye owners post ammonia noncontrol in a reef tank after day ten? None

That means something.

 

[Garf]

Post the tank pic, let's see the animals near dying (what true elevated ammonia causes)

From the link you posted;

Ammonia Pegged at 8.0 After 50% Water Change, Nitrate 10ppm, What's is happening!

Okay I have a question but let me update you first, I had a Rusty Dwarf Angel die last night and my firefish blenny is just sort of sitting on the bottom since yesterday morning, I do believe you are knowledgeable so can you tell me what kind of ammonia test I should be using, I mean there has...

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[Garf]

Symptomless ammonia noncontrol is the #1 go to for old cycling science

Some facts;

How toxic is ammonia, really?

In the context of trying to understand why so many people believe Seachem Prime was useful for them in an elevated ammonia situation, against the data in the link below about Prime potentially doing nothing to free ammonia in seawater, the question arises, why...

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[taricha]

Dr Tim's ammonia often results in higher than anticipated levels and Brightwell bacteria isn't very fast. Just to state this clearly, neither are meant for cycling with fish.
I'd do this...

go to your local petco or lfs and get a bacteria like fritz turbo start or IO Bio Spira (most petco have it)

Those two bacterial products are fast and reliable nitrifiers.

 

[folittle88]

Symptomless ammonia noncontrol is the #1 go to for old cycling science

Anything a non digital test kit says is always to be believed no matter what, second tenet.

Also post a pic of a new ammonia reading taken now, let's see the actual color. I bet i find the same color from another misread thread.

So here's today's readings. Did 75% water change Wednesday and added bacteria.

 

[brandon429]

the ammonia portion is the only part of that pic worth noting, and, that's passing for API.

if your vial was darker green, I would still assess the very same.

the color of an api vial has no bearing on cycle calls in my opinion, owing to their issues we can search out. even today in the gen forum was a new completely false api misread thread.

 

[folittle88]

So here's today's readings. Did 75% water change Wednesday and added bacteria.

Ph showing about 8.0ppm, ammonia now showing between 0-0.25ppm, Nitrite looks like 5.0, nitrate looks like 160. SMH

 

[Garf]

So here's today's readings. Did 75% water change Wednesday and added bacteria.

You've fixed it! Happy reefing. Presence of nitrite confirmed conversion (also messes with nitrate test).

 

[folittle88]

You've fixed it! Happy reefing. Presence of nitrite confirmed conversion (also messes with nitrate test).

Doing my happy feet dance. Now should I wait it out a few more days/week before adding anything?

 

[brandon429]

disease forum

put this much energy into memorizing everything Jay has to say/no joke the loss rates are bad for skipped preps. yours have already been skipped it's something to consider before you invest lots of $

 

[Garf]

Doing my happy feet dance. Now should I wait it out a few more days/week before adding anything?

Looks OK to me. You need to hunt out the healthiest (preferably quarantined) livestock possible. I suffered a catastrophic fish loss 20 years ago to disease, and my wife had the same in her tank last year. Its not a nice feeling and doubt the fish were very impressed.

 

[folittle88]

Looks OK to me. You need to hunt out the healthiest (preferably quarantined) livestock possible. I suffered a catastrophic fish loss 20 years ago to disease, and my wife had the same in her tank last year. Its not a nice feeling and doubt the fish were very impressed.

Man I don't want to even imagine. And thanks for feedback

 

[ScottB]

Prime, besides being totally useless for lowering ammonia concentration, interferes with ammonia test kits by causing the test to indicate less ammonia than there is. The ammonia could be higher than 8 ppm.

I will stand corrected then, thanks Dan.

 

[Spare time]

Wait, you added ammonia in with the fish?

 

[folittle88]

You've fixed it! Happy reefing. Presence of nitrite confirmed conversion (also messes with nitrate test).

Gm. So question. Just checked parameters and ph is now 7.8, ammonia 0, Nitrite 5.0ppm and nitrate 160 ppm. All still same. Should I water change again or just leave it?