Angelfish compatibility in 135g

[Joeganja]

So here's the current stocklist:
Red Tailed (Sargassum) Trigger
Naso Tang
Flagfin Angel about 4-5 inches
2x Damsels

I feed a mixture of omega one pellets and frozen mysis and marine cuisine with garlic guard as additive and they eat like pigs. I don't have a problem with the angel eating. They all seem to get along and the biggest fish is a trigger and he's a baby just a scaredy cat. I added the naso along with the angelfish at the same time due to the fact that I've had personal experience with naso's and they are docile and just have great personalities and
I bit the bullet on the angel knowing they can be hard to get feeding but within an hour bringing him home he was eating.

Now my question is this. Are there any angelfish you guys would recommend that would be more peaceful than others, more hardy, and have a higher chance to get eating that others? I was wanting a French and majestic angel. This is a fish only by the way and my filtration is an aquamaxx q-2 skimmer, planning to add a UV sterilizer down the road, rox .8 carbon.

 

[eatbreakfast]

A Centropyge species would work.

 

[MaiReef]

A Centropyge species would work.

+1

 

[Joeganja]

A Centropyge species would work.

Maybe in the future like a flame angel but I would like to get the main fish in the tank. Not too fond of dwarf angels.

 

[eatbreakfast]

Maybe in the future like a flame angel but I would like to get the main fish in the tank. Not too fond of dwarf angels.

Well, your tank is too small for another lg angel species, so Centropyge is about it for angel compatibility in a 135g.

 

[Joeganja]

Well, your tank is too small for another lg angel species, so Centropyge is about it for angel compatibility in a 135g.

That's fine. I'm
Sure we all have put fish that aren't supposed to go into smaller tanks or not enough space for so many of the same species before. I was just really looking to see which ones people have had experience with care requirements and compatibility.

 

[eatbreakfast]

You have an angel already. Larger angels are pretty intolerant of one another, except in the largest of tanks. Since yours doesn't meet the minimum suggested size for housing a single majestic or french angelI would definitely advise against doing it with an additional angel.

 

[Joeganja]

You have an angel already. Larger angels are pretty intolerant of one another, except in the largest of tanks. Since yours doesn't meet the minimum suggested size for housing a single majestic or french angelI would definitely advise against doing it with an additional angel.

That's fine. [emoji4]

 

[AcroNem]

I agree with everything eatbreakfast has said. Your system simply isn't large enough to support what you already have to maturity, so you're definitely just going to have problems adding anything else that gets large. To blatantly disregarded the safety of what you'll be putting in your tank is a pretty ridiculous thing to do. Fish only does not mean "packed to the brim with gigantic fish".

 

[sc50964]

What are the dimensions of the tank and how big are the tang and trigger?

 

[AcroNem]

They said It's 135g, could be 6' long. Still not enough to house a bunch of big fish. With their little regard for care requirements I don't think it matters what we say, they're going to do it anyway.

 

[sc50964]

If the assumption is that the op is gonna do it anyway, why not steer him to select the best case scenario fish, especially the tang appears to be quite small and the tank length appears to be 6'. The op seems to take good care about the tank and he isn't overstocking the tank as we speak. I think he has demonstrated restraint and the current angel that he has is quite mild tempered. Maybe that's by design with the thought to have more angels. Maybe that's by luck. But either way, I do think that there is a case for him to house more than one large angelfish in his tank, as long as he picks the right kind and right size. Majestic will work better than French, and both belong to different genus than the flagfin. I think a better choice would be the genus that has watanabei, mask, and Lamarck angels. Small Regal, personifer, or scribble may work as well.

 

[eatbreakfast]

The genus Genicanthus could work. But I do disagree that he showed restraint. A naso tang is already in there and will outgrow that tank. He bought a flagfin angel, a fish known to be a picky eater and natural sponge eater and put it in a pretty young and sterile tank. The flagfin worked out because it ate prepared foods, but adding a regal, another picky sponge-avore to that young of a tank is pressing his luck. And even though the flagfin is fairly mellow, adding a majestic to an undersized tank will more likely result in the flagfin being a victim of bullying.

Steering the op in the right direction is sometimes letting him know his plan is unlikely to have long-term success and he should strongly consider other options.

 

[AcroNem]

Agreed. Other options like dwarf angels, which will have a much better outcome.

 

[sc50964]

I think the industry has solved the finicky eating problem of flagfin angels by perhaps better collection method. Over the past several years, I really haven't seen or heard too many flagfin angels being problem eaters. I know that was the case about 10 years ago but over the past 5 or so, it just doesn't seem that way anymore. Now fish like rock beauty and regal, potters, and Singapore are still finicky. The op doesn't appear to be a rookie and appear to have been on the forum for quite some time. Maybe he just cleans his tank really well? The naso looks like it's no bigger than 3" long. It will need a few years to outgrow it. We both know he will put more fish in there. After all, there is still a lot of space and we as hobby enthusiasts just won't sit still and let it be. He isn't stocking it with tangs and angels. Of course if you measure him against the most conservative hobbyist, there isn't much restraint I guess. The worst thing is to not steer him to pick the right fish and he ended up with bad choices that ruin his tank. The genus of majestic and French is of the more aggressive type. So I see where you are coming from.

 

[eatbreakfast]

I've found flagfins have improved a bit, but still not easy by any means.

I agree he has a lot more room to stock with, but would definitely steer him away from lg angels. There are quite a few species of filefish, Canthigaster puffers, non-reef safe wrasses, and butterflies that aren't great reef candidates but would be well suited for the op's tank.

 

[sc50964]

@Joeganja ?

 

[Swoody]

Well, your tank is too small for another lg angel species, so Centropyge is about it for angel compatibility in a 135g.

How about something Genicanthus.... beautiful and relatively small?

 

[Joeganja]

Look I'm not the type of guy who your gonna see photos of his tank wonder how these fish are all moving around because it's overcrowded. Naso is 3-4 inches long and they take time to grow. Notice I did not put any zebrasoma species such as a desjardini or veliferum due to the fact that it be very difficult to add any other fish after and they can grow rather quickly compared to a naso or an angel. I wasn't planning on putting 3-5+ angels in the tank but majestic I don't see why I can't because I haven't seen them get that bit and they are relatively the smaller maxing out at a foot but even if that's in the wild I still have a friends tank who has a 300 gallon I can rehouse them into. I understand for all of these fish will have to be in another tank some day but for now I'm just adding one or two fish every couple of months. Next fish I'll be adding will be an Australian harlequin tusk and its minimum size tank is 125 with plenty of swimming space. And maybe a heniochus acuminata or diphreutes. I am quarantining I forgot to add that fact. So even fish I get right now will be quarantined for 4-6 weeks based of eating habits and behavior. I appreciate your interest in trying to move me away from the larger angels and your right in a way but there are still some species such as a majestic, regal if I can find one right the right supplier maybe liveaquriua, Lamarcks, bellus, scribbled (if the price is right)

 

[rckfsh44]

So here's the current stocklist:
Red Tailed (Sargassum) Trigger
Naso Tang
Flagfin Angel about 4-5 inches
2x Damsels

I feed a mixture of omega one pellets and frozen mysis and marine cuisine with garlic guard as additive and they eat like pigs. I don't have a problem with the angel eating. They all seem to get along and the biggest fish is a trigger and he's a baby just a scaredy cat. I added the naso along with the angelfish at the same time due to the fact that I've had personal experience with naso's and they are docile and just have great personalities and
I bit the bullet on the angel knowing they can be hard to get feeding but within an hour bringing him home he was eating.

Now my question is this. Are there any angelfish you guys would recommend that would be more peaceful than others, more hardy, and have a higher chance to get eating that others? I was wanting a French and majestic angel. This is a fish only by the way and my filtration is an aquamaxx q-2 skimmer, planning to add a UV sterilizer down the road, rox .8 carbon.