Anyone know what this is on my clownfish?

[Brad Coughlan]

Hard to see on the pictures, but it is slightly raised off the surface of the skin

On this pic, you can see 2 of them

Sorry for unclear pics, I'll add better ones when I can get them

 

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[vetteguy53081]

Hard to see on the pictures, but it is slightly raised off the surface of the skin

On this pic, you can see 2 of them

Sorry for unclear pics, I'll add better ones when I can get them

These appear to be secondary bacterial lesions associated with Brooklynella. To further confirm, please post pics of entire fish. Some signs you may notice are will be lethargic behavior, refusing to eat and heavy breathing from the mucus and unusual swimming patterns

 

[Brad Coughlan]

These appear to be secondary bacterial lesions associated with Brooklynella. To further confirm, please post pics of entire fish. Some signs you may notice are will be lethargic behavior, refusing to eat and heavy breathing from the mucus and unusual swimming patterns

Swimming and eating seems fine

Could it be ich?

The one circled in red has been there for 2 weeks and I posted that on here: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/ball-attached-to-clownfish.1028323/page-2#post-12117896 maybe it is this again?

 

[vetteguy53081]

Swimming and eating seems fine

Could it be ich?

The one circled in red has been there for 2 weeks and I posted that on here: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/ball-attached-to-clownfish.1028323/page-2#post-12117896 maybe it is this again?

Ich moves every 24 hours and becomes widespread. Bacterial lesions often confused with ich slowly increase in both size and location.
Typical treatment is a formalin solution is mixed with in a separate container with either fresh or saltwater. Start with a quick dip in the formalin at a higher concentration then performing treatment in a prolonged bath of formalin base at a lower concentration in a quarantine tank. The longer the fish are exposed to the formalin treatment the more effective it will be at eliminating this issue.
If a formalin solution is not available for immediate use, temporary relief can be achieved by giving the fish a FW bath or dip in water same temperature as display tank. Even though this treatment will not cure the disease, it can help to remove some of the parasites, as well as reduce the amount of mucus in the gills to assist with respiration problems.
Treatment is best done in a QT tank using either quick cure (more effective but now harder to find) or Ruby Rally Pro. Ruby takes a little longer and initial treatment generally takes 2-3 days to really start going to work.

 

[Brad Coughlan]

Ich moves every 24 hours and becomes widespread. Bacterial lesions often confused with ich slowly increase in both size and location.
Typical treatment is a formalin solution is mixed with in a separate container with either fresh or saltwater. Start with a quick dip in the formalin at a higher concentration then performing treatment in a prolonged bath of formalin base at a lower concentration in a quarantine tank. The longer the fish are exposed to the formalin treatment the more effective it will be at eliminating this issue.
If a formalin solution is not available for immediate use, temporary relief can be achieved by giving the fish a FW bath or dip in water same temperature as display tank. Even though this treatment will not cure the disease, it can help to remove some of the parasites, as well as reduce the amount of mucus in the gills to assist with respiration problems.
Treatment is best done in a QT tank using either quick cure (more effective but now harder to find) or Ruby Rally Pro. Ruby takes a little longer and initial treatment generally takes 2-3 days to really start going to work.

The formalin treatment is for brook, right?

Also when you say ich moves every 24 hours, does that mean by tomorrow I'd be able to tell if it is ich, as in it's either disappeared, moved to a new fish, or changed location?

 

[vetteguy53081]

The formalin treatment is for brook, right?

Also when you say ich moves every 24 hours, does that mean by tomorrow I'd be able to tell if it is ich, as in it's either disappeared, moved to a new fish, or changed location?

The number of dots increase and become more widespread if ich. Im convinced its not

 

[Brad Coughlan]

The number of dots increase and become more widespread if ich. Im convinced its not

Alright good to hear, already dealt with that before and don't want to do a whole new fallow period...
Are you saying you're convinced its not from the appearance of it or just the behaviour

 

[vetteguy53081]

Alright good to hear, already dealt with that before and don't want to do a whole new fallow period...
Are you saying you're convinced its not from the appearance of it or just the behaviour

Both especially when youve seen this for two weeks - fish would be infested

 

[Brad Coughlan]

Both especially when youve seen this for two weeks - fish would be infested

Hi,
Last night I also noticed by firefish do some flashing on the sand, not the rock, I saw it do it twice within about 10 minutes. Just witnessed it do it again. I dont see anything on the firefish however. I do recall a few months ago the same fish doing that motion on the sand fairly frequently, but back then there were no visible signs of ich on any fish. This is the first time I have witnessed it doing this in a long time, is this just normal behavour of a firefish? I am aware that they are in the goby family, perhaps its to do with that, just weird that I notice that when the clown has this on it as well...

The last livestock I purchased were some sps corals about a week ago and a cleaner shrimp about 3 days ago

 

[vetteguy53081]

Hi,
Last night I also noticed by firefish do some flashing on the sand, not the rock, I saw it do it twice within about 10 minutes. Just witnessed it do it again. I dont see anything on the firefish however. I do recall a few months ago the same fish doing that motion on the sand fairly frequently, but back then there were no visible signs of ich on any fish. This is the first time I have witnessed it doing this in a long time, is this just normal behavour of a firefish? I am aware that they are in the goby family, perhaps its to do with that, just weird that I notice that when the clown has this on it as well...

The last livestock I purchased were some sps corals about a week ago and a cleaner shrimp about 3 days ago

This could be a sign of flukes but continue to observe the frequency to see if its periodic, every 1020 minutes and so forth. I understand we all have things to do and cant stand in front of a tank all day. You can set your cell phone on video mode for an hour and come back and review video

 

[Brad Coughlan]

This could be a sign of flukes but continue to observe the frequency to see if its periodic, every 1020 minutes and so forth. I understand we all have things to do and cant stand in front of a tank all day. You can set your cell phone on video mode for an hour and come back and review video

Good idea, will do that when the light is at full intensity.

Just to clarify, when I noticed the firefish doing this before (a few months aho) I had no ich or flukes as far as I knew, then a few weeks later I introduced a royal gramma that came with ich so I treated all fish and went fallow, never saw the firefish doing this after that until now

 

[Uncle99]

Some of my rock dwellers do that from time to time.
Looks like they are trying to send a message to others who might get to close, but, also could be attempt to get relief from parasite, since, you did have a recent prior occurrence.

Be ready in case of the latter.

 

[Brad Coughlan]

This could be a sign of flukes but continue to observe the frequency to see if its periodic, every 1020 minutes and so forth. I understand we all have things to do and cant stand in front of a tank all day. You can set your cell phone on video mode for an hour and come back and review video

Ok I timed that well, managed to get the flashing on film.
Sorry for bad quality, I was streaming the camera feed to my computer since my phone has low storage.

Looks like it hits the right side of its body, I will have a look at it with a magnifying glass and see if I see any spots

 

[vetteguy53081]

Ok I timed that well, managed to get the flashing on film.
Sorry for bad quality, I was streaming the camera feed to my computer since my phone has low storage.

Looks like it hits the right side of its body, I will have a look at it with a magnifying glass and see if I see any spots

Video very short. Any other fish displaying this behavior?

 

[Brad Coughlan]

Video very short. Any other fish displaying this behavior?

Nope, just the firefish. Should I carry on filming and see if anything else happens? That's the 4th time within 24hour I've seen the flashing, and I've only been watching the tank for about 2 of those hours, so firefish is pretty frequent at doing it

 

[vetteguy53081]

Nope, just the firefish. Should I carry on filming and see if anything else happens? That's the 4th time within 24hour I've seen the flashing, and I've only been watching the tank for about 2 of those hours, so firefish is pretty frequent at doing it

Less. This is a trait of flukes but the frequency is more often

 

[Brad Coughlan]

Less. This is a trait of flukes but the frequency is more often

Alright,

I know that praziquantel is frequently used to treat flukes, can this be safely used in a reef tank with corals, shrimps, crabs, snails etc, or does this need to be carried out in a quarantine tank with a fallow period etc?

 

[vetteguy53081]

Alright,

I know that praziquantel is frequently used to treat flukes, can this be safely used in a reef tank with corals, shrimps, crabs, snails etc, or does this need to be carried out in a quarantine tank with a fallow period etc?

Yes.
Treatment of choice is PraziPro and while reef safe I prefer QT tank for treating but not necessary. If in dislay tank, remove your skimmer cup but leave the skimmer running as prazi-pro will make your skimmer go nuts. It will produce a high amount of bubbles so still have your skimmer running to keep the oxygen levels high in the water as some medications like praz-pro can lower the amount of oxygen in the water which is something you want to avoid so I recommend running an airstone in addition to treatment.
Also . . . remove any type of carbon that you have running to allow Prazi to run at full strength which will be an initial treatment for an 8 day interval, change water and treat again for one more dose 8 day interval. To be safe, treat at 80% of recommended dosage

 

[Brad Coughlan]

Yes.
Treatment of choice is PraziPro and while reef safe I prefer QT tank for treating but not necessary. If in dislay tank, remove your skimmer cup but leave the skimmer running as prazi-pro will make your skimmer go nuts. It will produce a high amount of bubbles so still have your skimmer running to keep the oxygen levels high in the water as some medications like praz-pro can lower the amount of oxygen in the water which is something you want to avoid so I recommend running an airstone in addition to treatment.
Also . . . remove any type of carbon that you have running to allow Prazi to run at full strength which will be an initial treatment for an 8 day interval, change water and treat again for one more dose 8 day interval. To be safe, treat at 80% of recommended dosage

Does it have to be PraziPro in particular, or can anything containing praziquantel be used?
I have never seen PraziPro in an LFS and I'm not sure on the availability of it here, could potentially get it online