Apex Problems/Questions

[cccharliecc]

Hi....Couple questions I have. I just filled my tank and turned everything on and have some issues with some things with my Apex.

1. Why is my skimmer not coming on automatically?
I ran the task to setup my Cor-20, its running at 43%
Fallback ON
Set ON
If FeedA 010 Then OFF
If Output COR-20 Speed < 90 Then OFF
Defer 008:00 Then ON

2. Why are my WAV’s not on all the time? Is it because of the errors below?

3. Why do I keep getting these alarms over and over again?
Apex Fusion Alarm: apex
Date: 2018-01-20 23:59:48 -0500
Status: OFF
Statement: Set OFF

Date: 2018-01-20 18:07:25 -0500
Status: ON
Statement: If Swx6_2 CLOSED Then ON

 

[ca1ore]

If you are stipulating that the skimmer outlet only be ON if the COR is above 90%, and it's at 43%, then the simmer outlet will be off. How are you powering the WAV pumps? What is the switch 6_2 doing?

 

[cccharliecc]

I even changed the 90% to 20 % and it still wont come on unless I slide it to ON.
The WAV pumps are powered with a 1 link.....if I set the 1Link outlet to AUTO they are off....If I set that outlet to ON the WAV's work...Does that need to be always ON also?

 

[cccharliecc]

I wish someone could look at all my code and make sure its all cool somehow....

 

[Breadman03]

That defer line will have it wait for 8 minutes before coming on. I don’t think you need to wait for 8 minutes. You just want the water to return to operating level in the sump so that the skimmer doesn’t overflow, which takes less than a minute for my setup.

Also, you can add users in Fusion at varying levels of access from view only to owner. You might find some folks willing to help, but consider the risks of the varying levels of permission and never make someone an owner. I’d be willing to look at you code as view only if you’d like, though there are folks far better than I with Apex code. Same username.

 

[cccharliecc]

That would be cool....maybe tomorrow or another day if you have time....I am gonna go to bed in a few minutes.....here is my code though if I do a print summary....

Configuration Summary

Apex Name
apex
AOS Version
4.53_AB17
Report Generated
Sun Jan 21 2018 00:34:17 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time)

Outputs

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If Error NEPTUNE_ATK Then ON
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If Error COR-20 Then ON

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If FeedA 010 Then OFF

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ID
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ID
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ID
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If FeedA 000 Then ON

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Min Time 060:00 Then OFF

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[suckerfishdish]

If you are stipulating that the skimmer outlet only be ON if the COR is above 90%, and it's at 43%, then the simmer outlet will be off. How are you powering the WAV pumps? What is the switch 6_2 doing?

I believe this is the correct advice.
If you are comfortable running your Cor Pump at 43% make sure your IQ level adjustment reflects that as your maximum.
The maximum the cor pump will run is will be 43% of the pumps potential.
When that is done your pump driver needs to indicate that it is running above 90% (all the lights on)
Here is an example of how I have mine.

Also, I had the problem of getting a bunch of unexplained alarms a simple reboot solved it.

 

[suckerfishdish]

It doesn't look like there would be anything preventing your skimmer from turning on after your Cor pump has been running for 8 minutes.
I'm no expert just trying to help.
If possible can you upload a screen shot similar to the one I attached

The alarm you're getting looks like its attached to your high level optical switch on your ATK, I assume meaning its blocked.
Once its not blocked anymore the alarm should go away, if not try the reboot, I have had stuck alarms before that were cured with the restart.

I noticed that you are running
AOS Version
4.53_AB17

I am running

AOS Version
5.03_CA17

I would recommend updating your firmware. I have not had any issues with the one I am running. I would also recommend checking each module and make sure you are running the current firmware on them.

 

[cccharliecc]

Here is my Cor-20 settings and Skimmer Outlet settings. How do you get your COR to just be constant at one speed during setup, it makes you pick one of those templates?
Also I checked Neptune's site for firmware and it looks like I have the latest, I have an Apex Gold...https://www.neptunesystems.com/support/sw-updates/

 

[suckerfishdish]

Sorry, I didn't realize you were on the apex gold, I am using an apex 2016.

During the setup I kept the first and last setpoints and set them at a 100% then deleted the setpoints in the middle of the graph.

I did it this way because the only time I want the pump to change speed is during the feed mode. The feed mode triggers the Cor to slow down below 90% thus turning off my skimmer.

 

[cccharliecc]

No Worries.
So I don't want my pump to change speeds either, except during the feed cycle. I just calibrated mine again and set the max to 28% because my overflows were crazy loud(another issue to work on).

So in my Cor 20 page there, can I just slide all my points up to 100% like yours shows?...how do I get rid of all those other entries in there? Here is what mine looks like now...

 

[cccharliecc]

Also, when I remove all those points and set it all at 100% on the chart.....the 100% for power actually means my 28% right, because I set 28% as my max during calibration so that becomes the 100% power?!?

 

[suckerfishdish]

Also, when I remove all those points and set it all at 100% on the chart.....the 100% for power actually means my 28% right, because I set 28% as my max during calibration so that becomes the 100% power?!?

Yes that is correct

I went to where I have the arrow pointed and clicked adjust point then entered 100 on the first and last then I went to the same place and removed point for the ones in the middle.

 

[cccharliecc]

Cool, I just did that, now mine looks pretty much the same as yours.
Did you find that if you ramp up your Cor-20 higher that your overflows get louder? I am trying to increase the speed a little, but I am not sure the overflows can keep up with it. They are both durso overflows, all 1'' to the sump under the tank.

 

[suckerfishdish]

I had to turn the pump down also, as you can see I'm running at 30% maximum. I am going down into two 1" overflows.

I'm having issues with it causing mini tornadoes out of my loc-line when it hits the turbulence from the mp40s.

It seems that this pump is pretty powerful. I was running a eflux 1900gph pump and the Cor blows it away in performance.

I just set it up a few hours ago and was cruising the forums looking for advice on different settings and I found this thread so I was sharing what I know so far. I hope this info helps out. I'm still trying to get everything dialed in.

 

[cccharliecc]

Here are some pics of my setup...running at 28%...still trying to find the sweet spot.

 

[Scott.h]

Your best bet is to have someone that you trust on here log in as a manager with the two of you on the phone and walk you through some of that.

 

[recess62]

Check your fan code. I think you have them programmed backwards. Ie turning offf when you want them on

 

[suckerfishdish]

Here are some pics of my setup...running at 28%...still trying to find the sweet spot.

Sharp looking setup.

I saw your post over on the Neptune forum and am glad to see you got the Wavs figured out.

It's a steep learning curve but hopefully the programming parts get easier as more people help each other out with their experiences.

 

[cccharliecc]

Yea...I figured I’d post it over there as well to cover all bases.

I still yet alarms constantly with my ATK though. I’m gonna reboot everything later and see if that helps.