Apex why has thou forsaken me

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Lets set the stage. I like to save the environment and my pocketbook so I commute to my day job via bus. It is a stress free ride to work, but the bus only runs during rush hours. If you need to go home in the middle of the day, you'll need another option.

Shorty after arriving to work, I get an apex alert that an eb8 has lost power. I check a couple IP cameras on the tanks and can see power is still on at the house, but everything controlled by the apex is off. This includes the all important return pump. I call a buddy to ask if he is available to stop and checkout what's going on. He stops by a half hour later and says, one GFCI has been blown and one of the 20 amp circuits that controls the hydronic heat of the house (and aquarium) is blown. I ask him to reset the GFCI and tripped circuit. Everything comes back online and I can see the aquarium heat kicks on. What a relief.

30 min later. It happens again.

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This time I was watching the apex, and it seemed to giving me screams for help before the GFCI gave it the relief it wanted and cut the power. Although I’m not an electrician, seeing readings of amps spike to 74 were enough to make me call an Uber to head home and take a look at what was going on myself. This time when the apex came back online, it had lost all the programming. I spent the next couple hours troubleshooting and attempting to restore the settings from backup, only to lose all faith that it was in good working order. I called my LFS BestFish and explained my situation and asked if they had a new Apex in stock that I could come pickup immediately. They did! I spent the next 4 hours or so setting up and reprogramming the many components that were run by the Apex.

I now see the downfall first hand of a monolithic aquarium control system. It’s so convenient to have everything controlled in one place, but can be catastrophic if something goes very wrong in the main “brain”. That said, I just love it too much to give up! I decided to setup another apex just to monitor my system and send me notification if something is wrong with the first. If nothing else it gives me piece of mind.

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One thing I don't get is why can't we make a proper backup and restore to another Apex long as we preprep by adding each module address to the same address order. It would make restore so much easier than reprogram everything.
 

I honestly didn't know you could calibrate amps, but I'm afraid the problem was more than calibration in this instance. I normally was running in the 2-6amps range. Without changing anything or pugging anything else in, it was spiking to 35 and 74 amps (see first screenshot). Apex would seize and restart, sometimes tripping the GFCI in the process.
 
The link I provided is to backup and restore your apex config.

Is your recirc pump on your apex power bar?

Also you can get one of those plugin watt meters and you can have it do peak amps.
 
The link I provided is to backup and restore your apex config.

Is your recirc pump on your apex power bar?

Also you can get one of those plugin watt meters and you can have it do peak amps.

Yeah I tried restoring it from backup as I had another apex for such an occasion. It did not go well. Many of the modules were not recognized and/or duplicated. I decided if I had to go to all the work of reprogramming each outlet I’d rather have the newest model.

Yes my circulation pump is on the apex eb8. Maybe it shouldn’t be, but I like being able to turn it off with my phone for feeding or tank maintenance.
 
Yeah I tried restoring it from backup as I had another apex for such an occasion. It did not go well. Many of the modules were not recognized and/or duplicated. I decided if I had to go to all the work of reprogramming each outlet I’d rather have the newest model.

Yes my circulation pump is on the apex eb8. Maybe it shouldn’t be, but I like being able to turn it off with my phone for feeding or tank maintenance.

Can set logging on your outlets and cross reference your amp chart with your outlet on times.
 
That stinks! But I'm glad you were able to get everything taken care of with no losses :)
It's a bit of a hike for me (about 60 miles) but I love best fish, they're probably one of the best stores in the area.
 
I now see the downfall first hand of a monolithic aquarium control system. It’s so convenient to have everything controlled in one place, but can be catastrophic if something goes very wrong in the main “brain”.

That's the main 'flaw' with the apex. It's easy to get all caught up in the features and capabilities of it (it IS cool); but then lose sight of the fact that you have just introduced a single point of failure. Is the convenience enough to offset the risk? Dunno - we all make our own calculation. I have tried to configure mine so that failure would be an inconvenience rather than a catastrophe; mostly by monitoring/alerting rather than controlling. But there are still things that would be most problematic. I have found, BTW, that the new head unit does not like to lose power - mine did odd things. I now have it connected to a UPS so it never loses power.
 
Haha no, pumps / motors (AC) are considered short circuits until they start turning, for an easy explanation.

http://www.eaton.com/ecm/idcplg?Idc...As=0&Rendition=Primary&dDocName=1063683065156

Page 2, I just chose a standard 15 amp Eaton breaker, lists instantaneous trip as 100-200 amps.
Ummm....he wasnt starting or stopping the pump. He was in continuous operation mode. Plus start up amps are built into the apex and breaker design. If it wasn't no one would run a refrigerator on a 15 amp breaker or a pump on apex.
 
Ummm....he wasnt starting or stopping the pump. He was in continuous operation mode. Plus start up amps are built into the apex and breaker design. If it wasn't no one would run a refrigerator on a 15 amp breaker or a pump on apex.
"it was spiking to 35 and 74 amps"

Hence why I was asking if his recirc pump was plugged into it and why I asked for his charts.
 
Lets set the stage. I like to save the environment and my pocketbook so I commute to my day job via bus. It is a stress free ride to work, but the bus only runs during rush hours. If you need to go home in the middle of the day, you'll need another option.

Shorty after arriving to work, I get an apex alert that an eb8 has lost power. I check a couple IP cameras on the tanks and can see power is still on at the house, but everything controlled by the apex is off. This includes the all important return pump. I call a buddy to ask if he is available to stop and checkout what's going on. He stops by a half hour later and says, one GFCI has been blown and one of the 20 amp circuits that controls the hydronic heat of the house (and aquarium) is blown. I ask him to reset the GFCI and tripped circuit. Everything comes back online and I can see the aquarium heat kicks on. What a relief.

30 min later. It happens again.

Screen Shot 2018-11-21 at 10.27.16 AM.png

This time I was watching the apex, and it seemed to giving me screams for help before the GFCI gave it the relief it wanted and cut the power. Although I’m not an electrician, seeing readings of amps spike to 74 were enough to make me call an Uber to head home and take a look at what was going on myself. This time when the apex came back online, it had lost all the programming. I spent the next couple hours troubleshooting and attempting to restore the settings from backup, only to lose all faith that it was in good working order. I called my LFS BestFish and explained my situation and asked if they had a new Apex in stock that I could come pickup immediately. They did! I spent the next 4 hours or so setting up and reprogramming the many components that were run by the Apex.

I now see the downfall first hand of a monolithic aquarium control system. It’s so convenient to have everything controlled in one place, but can be catastrophic if something goes very wrong in the main “brain”. That said, I just love it too much to give up! I decided to setup another apex just to monitor my system and send me notification if something is wrong with the first. If nothing else it gives me piece of mind.

Screen Shot 2018-12-10 at 12.35.09 PM.png
To bad apex not designed like computers on jet planes. Most components controlled by seperate computers, so if one or more fail. Not all is lost. Bummer
 
My main apex is a classic lite, I actually picked up a new EL to avoid single point failure. They are plugged into different circuits, I have two return pumps on separate circuits, I have half my heating and cooling on each apex, and I’m in the process of setting up redundant ca/alk dosing on each apex (one with 2 part handling approx half demand, another with kalk reactor handing half demand).
 
This is why I don’t use Apex lol. I’m glad everything is ok though
 

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