Aquaforest with refugium ?

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I recently installed a trigger triton sump, I use pretty much all aquaforest products dose, food and reef salt.but my chato isn't growing as expected. I wonder is the components strong lean on iron? Also does aquaforest still offer I icp testing?
 
Which sump the T26?
I would really love to see it as i am looking to purchase one my self. Im running full AF aswell
 
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It's a trigger triton 44 great value I'm very happy-with it, wire management not done.
 
That's good to know thank you. I guess I'll research different tests. What I really want to know is has anyone else run macroalgea with aquaforest salt and dosing? I checked my light with a seneye, par,per and spectrum all looked to be in the right range. I stopped running phosphate minus so there's plenty of phosphate. I just don't know why my fuge isn't functioning.
 
Aquaforest does not rely on refugium for nutrient export. Its based on probiotics for nutrient export. So, your chaeto is not getting enough nutrient to grow. It will die overtime. You actually dont need a refugium for nutrient export while running AF.
 
I've stopped using probio S and probiotic salt because I was getting cyano outbreaks and still had high nitrate. So. Now I'm running the powdered alk, calcium,magnesium and sea salt with component strong and feeding energy,build,amino and coral food. I'll start dosing af iron tonight. Do you think that will work? I really like the af products but am drawn to the simplicity of a refugium not cleaning filter socks.
 
I've stopped using probio S and probiotic salt because I was getting cyano outbreaks and still had high nitrate. So. Now I'm running the powdered alk, calcium,magnesium and sea salt with component strong and feeding energy,build,amino and coral food. I'll start dosing af iron tonight. Do you think that will work? I really like the af products but am drawn to the simplicity of a refugium not cleaning filter socks.

I was just going to suggest you try dosing Iron, in my current system ATI Essentials which is sort of the same thing your dosing just pre made. I was having issues with my Algae Scrubber growing well, dosing Iron has got it back inline.
And the Marinlab test is the one AF uses and promotes with there products so that is the right test to use with AF, I was just pointing out that they do not actually do the tests themselves.
 
Awesome thank you, my lfs sells aquaforest and I try to stay loyal I've suggested he offer icp testing, we'll see. Thanx again
 
I've stopped using probio S and probiotic salt because I was getting cyano outbreaks and still had high nitrate. So. Now I'm running the powdered alk, calcium,magnesium and sea salt with component strong and feeding energy,build,amino and coral food. I'll start dosing af iron tonight. Do you think that will work? I really like the af products but am drawn to the simplicity of a refugium not cleaning filter socks.
Stop dosing amino and continue with reef salt and pro bios . AF is not compatible with refugium so its suggested that you balance the system with probiotics. AF is same as ATI essential actually it also includes the nutrient control so its more of a complete system. AF components 123 is same as ATI essential premade.
 
ATI essential actually it also includes the nutrient control so its more of a complete system.

Where did you get this information? As far as I have been told from the ATI rep it has nothing but trace elements no nutrient control etc. Be great to know if that is not the case.
 
Where did you get this information? As far as I have been told from the ATI rep it has nothing but trace elements no nutrient control etc. Be great to know if that is not the case.
I think you misread the statement. I said AF is more complete system compared to ATI as it has nutrient control as well as chemical balance.
 
My problem is i just spent what is for me a lot of money upgrading to a refugium based filtration system. I guess I should have done more homework.
 
My problem is i just spent what is for me a lot of money upgrading to a refugium based filtration system. I guess I should have done more homework.
Lol...I understand. Thats possibly one of the common reefer syndrome for all of us. Always when you have doubt ask us. You can use that refugium part to contain siporax which will hold a lot of bacterias and help with nutrient control.
 
AF is same as ATI essential actually it also includes the nutrient control so its more of a complete system. AF components 123 is same as ATI essential premade.

I dont want to refer to the ATI E. but Component 1,2,3+ it's not the same product. You will have in Component 1,2,3+ all trace, Macro elements and Kh that your tank will need with a perfect balance.
 
I dont want to refer to the ATI E. but Component 1,2,3+ it's not the same product. You will have in Component 1,2,3+ all trace, Macro elements and Kh that your tank will need with a perfect balance.
I think you are missing the point. I am saying in terms of a complete reef care system AF is more complete and better compared to ATI E.
 
I think you are missing the point. I am saying in terms of a complete reef care system AF is more complete and better compared to ATI E.
Thank you, I misunderstood your point. Just wanted to refer to these two products that they are different. Now I understand your point Thx :)
 
Hello,
Your tank is beautiful, and the sump design is perfect to allow for beneficial bacteria homing. Your idea is good, but with use of the Probiotic system, it is counter productive in terms of effect. So, you could choose to use algae to control nutrients(chaeto) along with rubble and sand, this alone may allow for you to keep N&P low enough, based on livestock. At this point, you could supplement ABEV for coral care. As far as trace and Comp 123 go, and as I understand ATI Essentials, they are the chemistry aspect and do not have anything to do with biological aspects pertaining to nutrient reduction, these are separate. Should you choose to use the Probiotic System, I would consider adding Life Bio Fil into the equation, I have used it with tremendous success, specifically in a reactor. You could also fabricate an egg crate cage, and place the media inside the cage/basket, this would allow you to periodically shake the media off. The current setup would be before the skimmer, which is good with running media passive, with a reactor, you can control where the effluent goes. I would imagine an AF 150 reactor filled to the top(7 liters roughly) would benefit this setup perfectly in terms of nutrient control, along side dosing NP Pro and Pro Bio S. Depending on your tank, you may want to use Phosphate Minus to control PO4. The reactor with media will provide copious amounts of bacteria homing, and the effluent can be adjusted to run NO3 to your liking, be careful though, it will bottom out nitrates, so start with low flow and ramp over the course of time with tests to verify. I would make sure even if I chose to run a fuge to have the fuge after the skimmer, not before. The skimmer helps to remove detritus as it comes into the sump, this can easily clog chaeto, rendering useless, IMO. The fuge really further breaks nutrients down after the skimmer, sort of polishing the water before returning to the tank. Again, just an observation. Should you choose to run chaeto, I would confine it to the area where the skimmer currently is, and without any sand or rubble, this will allow the natural flow of water through the sump to tumble the chaeto, making it more efficient for nutrient reduction. Again, just observations, thinking you would want to choose one or the other. Cheers :)
 
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Thanx for the suggestions it's good to know there are options should this approach fail, I've started dosing iron (aquaforest) and my new lifereef skimmer should be here next week, also put some gfo back in my media reactor and I'm going back to weekly 10% water changes
 
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Just an update af iron works awesome,I'm manually dosing though not sure where to add it to the balling
 

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