Artificial Intelligence - Poll

paintman · Sep 6, 2023

Randy Holmes-Farley said:
I would add that there are a growing number of reef2reef users and abusers who are using AI to write posts.

Maybe that's why there are so many posts about using a Clean Up Crew to solve every problem under the sun in our aquariums. Here I thought it was because everyone is just dumb and lazy. Maybe there is still hope. LOL!

KrisReef · Sep 6, 2023

I am an educated researcher and I learned from an early age that answers to questions could be found in the gray literature and textbooks in the public library.

I have watched the creation of the alternative universe of knowledge (aka”The Internet.”). I wasn’t to concerned about the lack of credible resources in the early days of online society ( dang the phone won’t let me type my words to finish my thought) until the day I went to the university of San Diego’s science library and found that they were purging old books and replacing the science section with books that expounded the “fact” of global climate change. Hard science was actively being eliminated from the stacks where knowledge was supposedly stockpiled for the benefit of society.

The idea that people can think is being replaced for the idea that people should believe what they are told to think and believe.

If that idea bothers you then please don’t get mad at me but explain if it doesn’t make sense of the topic of the Thread?

How can a pole provide clarification of the problem of using AI to get the wrong or right answers to validate our experience?

Even if it is wrong it still provides an answer that we must except when the platform defines the answers given. It let me type that last part without many interruptions, and I believe it was learning while I typed.

It is going to get better at being wrong but don’t let on that you don’t believe it.

Climate Change Clown GIF by Creative Courage

Red_Beard · Sep 6, 2023

The_Paradox said:
A growing number of members here who are bots so…

It’s common on all forums now. Compounding these issues is the fact that in this social media driven age whomever has the loudest bullhorn is right. There is a reason why historically professors, instructors, mentors were vetted. Those days are gone. We are seeing the beginning of the movie Idiocracy (watch the trailer if you don’t get the reference).

.....Welcome to Costco. I love you.

The_Paradox · Sep 6, 2023

Red_Beard said:
.....Welcome to Costco. I love you.

You have no idea how often I read about the latest “must have or your corals will die cocktail” and think, “BRAWNDO it’s got what corals crave”.

Red_Beard · Sep 6, 2023

The_Paradox said:
You have no idea how often I read about the latest “must have or your corals will die cocktail” and think, “BRAWNDO it’s got what corals crave”.

you mean they like water? Like out the toilet?

-Sorry. this has been a great thread, don't mean to detract

Treefer32 · Sep 6, 2023

I don't know that I'll see this in my life time given how slowly technology advances in the reef hobby. (Insert New prettier, fancier light brand here...)

Dimmable and controllable lights have been a thing for 10 years. What about automated monitoring systems. Little arrays placed discretely throughout the tank that monitor par as the lights ramp and ramp down, send alerts when month over month par starts dimming for some reason. For example, I just noticed a couple months ago that one of my three AI Hydra 52 boxes had only blues on and no whites. It would have been nice to know that in advance? Funny thing is that corals do great where those lights are positioned, so I've left them. lol.

1. What about automated monitoring of water chemistry? It seems like there's real time ocean monitoring, why can't we get real time monitoring of alk, calcium, magnesium, more commonly used trace elements, nitrate and phosphate reports?

2. Parasite sensors that magnify snapshots of water passing through a pipe that detect if there's protozoa greater than a certain size detected? It'd be amazing if AI identification of the parasite could be provided as well. But, I'd just take hey, we detected larger concentrations of protozoa than were detected yesterday.

3. Automated Feeding systems that provide the right nutrition to fish and corals throughout the day (frozen food feeders).

4. Submersible discrete camera systems where AI Monitor fish movements and behavior and report any abnormalities day to day. Are there instances of escalating aggression and by who? Are there injuries? Is there a change in eating habbits, etc?

There's so much data analytics could do for us in our reefs, if only the data points were there. If we could monitor all of these things, our fish would live a lot longer, corals would be healthier and we wouldn't have to purchase as many pets from the stores.....

The_Paradox · Sep 6, 2023

Treefer32 said:
I don't know that I'll see this in my life time given how slowly technology advances in the reef hobby. (Insert New prettier, fancier light brand here...)

Dimmable and controllable lights have been a thing for 10 years. What about automated monitoring systems. Little arrays placed discretely throughout the tank that monitor par as the lights ramp and ramp down, send alerts when month over month par starts dimming for some reason. For example, I just noticed a couple months ago that one of my three AI Hydra 52 boxes had only blues on and no whites. It would have been nice to know that in advance? Funny thing is that corals do great where those lights are positioned, so I've left them. lol.

1. What about automated monitoring of water chemistry? It seems like there's real time ocean monitoring, why can't we get real time monitoring of alk, calcium, magnesium, more commonly used trace elements, nitrate and phosphate reports?

2. Parasite sensors that magnify snapshots of water passing through a pipe that detect if there's protozoa greater than a certain size detected? It'd be amazing if AI identification of the parasite could be provided as well. But, I'd just take hey, we detected larger concentrations of protozoa than were detected yesterday.

3. Automated Feeding systems that provide the right nutrition to fish and corals throughout the day (frozen food feeders).

4. Submersible discrete camera systems where AI Monitor fish movements and behavior and report any abnormalities day to day. Are there instances of escalating aggression and by who? Are there injuries? Is there a change in eating habbits, etc?

There's so much data analytics could do for us in our reefs, if only the data points were there. If we could monitor all of these things, our fish would live a lot longer, corals would be healthier and we wouldn't have to purchase as many pets from the stores.....

You can do 1,3,4 now. I can see 2 happening but will be lab on a chip (LOAC) not optical.

Jay Hemdal · Sep 6, 2023

Miami Reef said:
@diwit is definitely using ChatGPT to answer posts.

I've seen some posts that looked to be machine written. To give the person the benefit of the doubt, I was thinking perhaps English wasn't their first language, and they were using ChatGPT to produce better material?

Jay

StatelineReefer · Sep 6, 2023

Jay Hemdal said:
I've seen some posts that looked to be machine written. To give the person the benefit of the doubt, I was thinking perhaps English wasn't their first language, and they were using ChatGPT to produce better material?

Jay

That's like using a machete to trim your cuticles, ultimately the wrong tool and painful to yourself and anyone watching.

MikeTheNewbie · Sep 6, 2023

Jay Hemdal said:
I'm working on an article about informational resources for aquarists. I want to include a section on "Artificial Intelligence" but I need to get more information about how this resource is currently being used.

Thanks!

I'm an engineer and an AI fanatic. I also have decent working knowledge and experience in it, including a patent that uses AI for automotive purposes and I invested in nVidia because of my training and interest in AI before its boom with the release of Chat GPT.
All that said, I would recommend being very careful when using a Large Language Model like Chat GPT to make decisions about living organisms like your fish, corals or yourself.
Consider that those models have been trained using open resources like this forum where everyone is entitled to express their opinions (true or false).
A good way to use one of these LLMs would be to help find trustworthy resources like peer reviewed papers and ACTUALLY reading those papers to verify they are real, come from a reputable source, and manually confirm their claims by reading the paper, not the LLMs extract.
Once you find the document you could ask it to identify the most relevant paragraphs and tell you their location so you can manually read them from the source, not from the response.

In summary use it like a tool, not to replace your brain.
Hope this helps avoid accidents.

blecki · Sep 7, 2023

Treefer32 said:
2. Parasite sensors that magnify snapshots of water passing through a pipe that detect if there's protozoa greater than a certain size detected? It'd be amazing if AI identification of the parasite could be provided as well. But, I'd just take hey, we detected larger concentrations of protozoa than were detected yesterday.

Not going to try and tackle the mechanical engineering portion of this, but assuming you got pictures of the critters to the software, this one is pretty trivial with current technology. The biggest hurdle is going to be amassing enough training data for accurate results.

Treefer32 said:
4. Submersible discrete camera systems where AI Monitor fish movements and behavior and report any abnormalities day to day. Are there instances of escalating aggression and by who? Are there injuries? Is there a change in eating habbits, etc?

At this point you aren't working with an image so much as discrete object detection and tracking. You'll probably want multiple cameras so you can track fish in 3d space. Identifying individuals when you have multiple of the same species will be difficult to impossible. Save injuries, which would still be image analysis, a lot of aggression behaviors can be seen just from the vector data of the fish swimming around - sudden acceleration toward another fish, tangs hovering together with their tails toward each other, fish hiding in rocks during feeding time, etc.