At wits end with GHA

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whats overrated is stickying any algae cure thread that doesn't have straight fixes page after page, heh.

We earn our upkeep in the action threads, where we do not coax an invader out but rather force them out. we earn after pics, for years. result threads require no sticky nepotism (where the post writer stickies their own material)

Hello Brandon!

Do we have a bad sticky going?
 
We need an additional reference thread that doesn't react to an algae invasion as a problem/imbalance within the tank chemistry, not having to use nutrient testing at all in factoring an algae plan and for many tanks a dinos plan is a valuable niche in reefing to inspect and test and feature.
 
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Peroxide is being used incorrectly here. We have a way to fix your algae at any time if you follow a certain order of ops. I hate to see the invasion continue when stopping it is avail

the sole cause of your continued invasion is allowing it to grow, I promise it can be beaten. why not do test rock modeling before you begin, that's where your proof comes from

another reason Id like to work this challenge is because the delay time has pent up detritus inside the rocks and we need a full approach to turn this around. this could be a great example of a quick tank fix with not much effort.

glad there's no sandbed to work with/saves work.

about five ordered steps will stop your headache, I can see your algae is about to cause you to take really harsh action but in all fairness you haven't given us a valid go, you tried other methods so far.

Ok, what do you suggest exactly?
 
I recommend a test before upscaling work to the entire system. Pull a test rock out of the tank and use a steak knife outside the tank to scrape out the invader from its roots on half the rock.

It's not typical scrubbing like with a brush, It's scarring a bit of the rock like a parrotfish bite which dislodges both the holdfast and the plant body. Work a section totally clean by knifing and saltwater rinsing.

When that half is algae free due to metal, use 3% peroxide on the cleaned area, as a leftovers burn. Let sit four mins outside tank, rinse off, done with that section.


The other half of the test rock: don't score anything just put peroxide 3% from a brand new, not aged, bottle right on the algae let it sit four minutes. Rinse, put back with its algae in place.

We take no action for a couple days to see how each side behaves. Both sides will likely die out, it's the growback we're charting.


Algae tufts are detritus mops. Even if a system tests clean water, algae has bits of detritus for on site degradation inside the mop. To kill the aggregate mass is to ruin it's adapted feed source along with our cheat system which both removes holdfasts and burns them.

Once cleaned and pores opened back up, that lr filtration ability improves massively and it can begin to express back out any stored up wastes within.

Algae can grow in balanced systems if simply allowed to. A grazer exists for every condition, when it can't be found quickly we can cheat the algae out till then.

This is just to build a clean palette for re beginning. Methods of nutrient balance are directly worth considering once self support is removed in my opinion.

The test tells us if your invader is abnormally strong or rooted. In all fairness it's helpful to ensure topoff water is clean/acceptable so we work less on gardening.


The pics so far didn't strike me as a terribly high bioload setup, just grazerless.

Clearly a larger tank doesn't want to run teeth cleaning dentistry on eighty pounds of rock. It's what we might consider though for eighty pounds of rock when only one has the invader, vs letting it take over. No rooted invader can resist this, we use 35% in ultra rare cases hardly ever needed.

Our way is work heavy, and not as ideal to a fine balance in the tank handling our issues. for anyone lacking that ideal balance, use raw work to be invader free until you get there.
 
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I have tried all methods from fluconazole, peroxide, lights out, scrubbing. This algae takes complete control and does not stop growing. My tests all show 0, I know this is a false.

Paradoxically, the algae may be getting stronger partly due to your efforts to battle it. Under "nutrient starvation" some algae will suffer and die off, but others (like yours, apparently) are unfazed as they have other nutrient pathways and/or other competitive abilities available.

By enforcing "nutrient starvation" you may inadvertently be clearing a path for the more competitive (less desireable) algae in the tank.

On the other side of the coin, when nutrients are generally available at sufficient levels, more desirable fast-growing algae and all their associated microorganisms will tend to outcompete the rest. (That includes corals, BTW.....very happy with plenty of available nutrients, with only carbon limited.)

If you clear a patch somehow, you should "plant" a coral there. This is how herbivores do it for the corals in the wild. As a weak human stand-in for an herbivore, a 1-5 mL syringe with h2o2 can clear a small spot for that coral without affecting the rest of the tank. ;)

:)
 
I want to thank everyone for the help I received here. I was able to beat the algae with Vibrant. After 2 doses, it was almost 95% gone!

I did peroxide, complete black out for probably 2 months, took all the rock out and dipped in peroxide, scrubbed, gfo,etc. It was a very stubborn algae but vibrant took care of it fast!

Again, thanks for all the great help I received here! This is a great forum and I am very grateful to have everyone come to my aid!
 
If you do not get rid of the nutrients that we’re feeding the algae I think it is just a matter of time before it will be back. What are your nitrate and phosphate levels now?
 
Still 0. This tank is barely fed and water changes are done once a week.

I feed a small amount of pellets daily to the two clowns and a small piece of clam to the RBTA about every 2 weeks.

I have been in the hobby since 04 and have never came across an algae like this. I kept a black trash bag over the tank I had the rock sitting in for probably 3 months, did bi-weekly water changes on it, and the algae was growing!

There are still a few remains on the rock the RBTA was attached to. This is the only rock that stayed in the tank. I believe this will be gone in a few weeks completely.

The peroxide worked temporarily but can back with a vengeance within a few days.
 
If there were no nutrients in the tank you would not have had algae issues. Could it be leaching from your live rock?
 
I think that’s originally where it came from. It was very old rock and I hadn’t been turkey basting it a lot. Either way, it is much better. It’s not so depressing to look at anymore.
 
As a weak human stand-in for an herbivore, a 1-5 mL syringe with h2o2 can clear a small spot for that coral without affecting the rest of the tank. ;)

The peroxide worked temporarily but can back with a vengeance within a few days.

Are you talking about the syringe treatment or something different? (Not all peroxide methods are equal.)

You can do at least one patch per day like this. Ease into it though....just do one more patch every time and see how it goes.

Either way, it is much better. It’s not so depressing to look at anymore.

Glad to hear things are heading in the right direction! :)
 

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