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I'm looking for systems that are almost fully automated. Trying to gather a few ideas together to make it so that I can enjoy my tank more than cleaning, etc. etc. If you've got one almost fully automated, can you give me a run down of what you're doing and your schedules.

Thanks.
 
I saw one once that was nearly fully automated, but the person had large amounts of money put into it, around $30,000 i believe, it was a 600gallon system though. A few of "that other site"s reefs of the month are nearly fully automated. This one was pretty close: Tank of the Month - December 2008 - Reefkeeping.com
 
Only maint I have to do is water changes and skimmer/TAS cleaning. I use a AC Jr to control everything and timers for fans. For the water changes I have a valve that I can open to pump 30 gallons to the toilet. My ATO is automated, as long as I have water in the 32 gallon rubbermaid. I turn the RO/DI manually since I am paranoid about pressure switches.
 
I am pretty much automated except for feeding and water changes. The Reefkeeper Lite L3 monitors and controls pumps, lights, temperature and pH as well as a few other things like temp alarms and shutdowns, moonlights on a Lunar cycle and my calcium reactor. It could monitor and control water levels, ORP and Salinity if I chose to.
The Spectrapure UPLC II monitors and controls water levels which is fed from a 23 gallon Rubbermaid recycling can filled by a Spectrapure MaxCap UHE 1:1 RO/DI system.
The few things I have to do manually I actually enjoy now!
 
Great idea for a thread Amay, as I've been interested and want to set up my next tank with as much automation as possible. Hope to see more posts on this thread with ideas from other members.
 
Thanks. It's just been that I've really been doing too much maintenance. I want to enjoy this hobby, not work and tinker on it constantly. Thanks for all the info so far, I appreciate all the ideas.
 
I use a Reefkeeper Elite system and only have to feed and do water changes. I have a webcam on my tank and I can monitor tank parameters from my iPod touch or laptop. I travel a lot so it is important for my wife's sanity that she does not need to do too much. My RODI unit is connected to float switches on the RKE that keeps my top off reservoir full. Lighting, temp control, flow, etc. all is handled through the controller.

It will be even better in a couple months when I can remotely control things through my RKE and the new version of myReef.
 
Thanks for the info. Can't wait to see myreef and all the initial bugs. :) It'll be fun.
 
Unlike others here, I have automated my water changes! And I have to say its awesome!!!

I had some back problems in January and got tired (and sore) from carrying 5 gallon buckets up from the basement. I have a 125 and a 110 that I would do weekly 5 gallon changes on.

Everything is located in the basement, with my tanks on the first floor. I have two 55 gallon drums, one for fresh and one for salt water. Every two weeks I have to make up new SW and that is all I do for my water changes.

All plumbing between the basement and the tank is through a number of 1/4" tubing.

I purchased a Aquacontroller JR and the DC8 power center. Into this I plugged in 6 solenoid valves from McMaster Carr. There are three valves for each tank. One valve is to turn on the auto top off, one is to drain water from the tank and the third is to supply water to the tank. I also have plugged in a pump to send SW up to the tank through the third valve.

The sequence of events is as follows:

Top off valve turns on for 30 minutes.. This opens a line from the RODI unit to a float valve in the sump. If sump level is low it will add new RODI water.

Valve controlling the drain turns on for 7 minutes. This takes approximatley 1 gallon of water out of the sump.

Valve for the supply turns on, then a minute later the supply pump turns on. This delay is so that the valve turns on and off without pump pressure. The pump is on for 6 minutes. Eventually I will have the supply run though a float as well, just for extra safety.

I had to play with the timing, but have not had any problems with salinity changes. I do test the salinity every week or so, just to be sure things are running smoothly.
 
Unlike others here, I have automated my water changes! And I have to say its awesome!!!

I had some back problems in January and got tired (and sore) from carrying 5 gallon buckets up from the basement. I have a 125 and a 110 that I would do weekly 5 gallon changes on.

Everything is located in the basement, with my tanks on the first floor. I have two 55 gallon drums, one for fresh and one for salt water. Every two weeks I have to make up new SW and that is all I do for my water changes.

All plumbing between the basement and the tank is through a number of 1/4" tubing.

I purchased a Aquacontroller JR and the DC8 power center. Into this I plugged in 6 solenoid valves from McMaster Carr. There are three valves for each tank. One valve is to turn on the auto top off, one is to drain water from the tank and the third is to supply water to the tank. I also have plugged in a pump to send SW up to the tank through the third valve.

The sequence of events is as follows:

Top off valve turns on for 30 minutes.. This opens a line from the RODI unit to a float valve in the sump. If sump level is low it will add new RODI water.

Valve controlling the drain turns on for 7 minutes. This takes approximatley 1 gallon of water out of the sump.

Valve for the supply turns on, then a minute later the supply pump turns on. This delay is so that the valve turns on and off without pump pressure. The pump is on for 6 minutes. Eventually I will have the supply run though a float as well, just for extra safety.

I had to play with the timing, but have not had any problems with salinity changes. I do test the salinity every week or so, just to be sure things are running smoothly.

Very nice... I was trying to think of a way to do auto water changes... though I am not there yet with a setup that I can use this, but will be in the following months. I was worried about having the correct salinity with a ATO, and with the shut off of ATO for a given amount of time and then turning on the WC sounds great.

Just wondering have you checked the difference between pumps for gph/m to make sure they are close? Wondering if after a few weeks/months you would have to tweak the time amount as pumps could become less efficient.

Would be nice to do daily WC on a large system (say 1%) instead of 10% weekly. Like the concept.
 
I do check the salinity every week or so. The only issue I had was when my ATO was leaking as let a bunch of fresh water in. Other than that I have had no issues.

When the salinity was down a bit due to the ATO leak, I simply manually ran the salt supply pump for 10 minutes or so to overfill the sump. This then prevented the ATO from working for a few days and allowed the salinity to SLOWLY increase.

If the salinity raises a bit, you can drain off extra and let the ATO work it back up. That would be a faster change, but still very possible.
 
Frogfish this has me intrigued. Could you give a little more detail on what you all purchased? IE what exact solenoids you got etc....any pics of this setup? Is there anything you would have done differently? I am sure there are others whom are very interested in this! Thanks.

Eric
 
The solenoid valves are from McMaster Carr (McMaster-Carr) and is p/n 7877K53. The tubing is regular 1/4" tubing. The controller is an ACjr.

What I would do differently is have bulkheads in the sump to set the water level for draining. As the sump was in use and I didn't want to drill it, I am relying on a siphon, which has not been a problem so far. The SW would go to a float. That way I am not relying on timing but specific levels.

Other than that it is pretty simply and straight forward.

I can try to get pics, but it may take a while.

In the mean time feel free to ask any specific questions.
 
so I decided to get off my butt and take the photos this evening... the kids went to bed early!!!

I have had this system up and running for about 6 months or so with no issues.

I actually have this system running two independent tanks, a 125 and a 110. I am sure that most controllers can be expanded enough to add a system like this to it rather than going with a new controller.

I have a fish room in the basement, under the stairs. In this room I have two 55 gallon drums for water storage. The one on the left is fresh water and the one on the right is salt. The plumbing shown in the picture is for transferring water from one drum to the other or to fill gallon jugs or buckets.

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From this area I have 3 x 1/4" tubing running to each tank. The white is for RODI top off. The blue is to drain the tank. The red is to supply new SW to the tanks. Each of these tubes runs through a McMaster Carr solenoid valve (McMaster-Carr). It is p/n 7877K53. It costs about $25 each. I have had some in my tank systems for approximately 5 years with no problems.

The controller is set up to operate everything once a day for each tank. The controller is an Aquacotroller JR. I think it and the DC8 outlet system cost $200 in a powerbuy. I also have a dual inline TDS meter. Since my incoming TDS is fairly constant, I am monitoring the RO output and the DI output. If the DI output starts to raise I need to change the resin. If the RO output starts to raise, I need to change the membrane.

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The first thing that happens is that the auto top off kicks on for approximately 30 minutes. My autotop off consists of the RODI system being run directly to a float valve in the sump. The only way it fills the sump is if the valve turns on and the float is low. This give some redundant protection. By running it for 30 minutes I would get a max of 2 gallons of top off. I only use 1 or less. If something were to go wrong I would notice it well before the sump overflowed. You definitely want the system to top off first, so that you are always at a fixed water level before anything else happens.

After that turns off, I open the valve for the drain. Ideally this drain would be from a bulkhead setting the low water level. However, the sump was already in use so I could not drill it for a bulkhead. Therefore it is running off a siphon. This water is directed to a floor drain in the fish room. The valve stays open for 6 minutes. Based on the head I have on the system this drains approximately 1 gallon of tank water.

Finally the controller turns on the supply pump to send new SW to the tank. This pump can be any number of pumps, you want high head and low flow. Since I sell industrial pumps, I had a "demo" pump that I am able to use. This pump is turned on for 8 minutes and brings the water level back up to its original point. I need to modify this system to have the supply pump run to a float valve rather than just run off a timer.

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As mentioned earlier I wish I had a bulkhead for the drain and a float for the supply. These are really the only mods that I would reasonably like to make. The one that I think is just too expensive would be to automate the making of SW in the drum. This would need a powder dispensing valve valve to put salt in and that would be too much.

I do check the salinity in each tank about every two weeks. Once I got the timing right there has not been an issue. However, if there is and I need to make minor adjustments it will be easy. If the salinity drops I can simply overfill with the new SW and allow evaporation to slowly raise the salinity. By overfilling the top off would not activate as the float valve would stay low. If the salinity gets too high I simply need to drain extra and let the top off make up the difference.

If anyone has comments or questions, let me know.
 
I see 6 different Valves in the picture. Is that because you have this running for two different tanks? Secondly, I don't have the ACJR but I do have the ACII. I am wondering if its still possible to do this with the ACII. I see no reason why it wouldn't but I will have to look into it. Do you just have the valve plugged into one of the outlets on the DC8???

Thanks for taking the time to write this up and take the pictures. I am sure I will be having many more questions for you!!! I am the type of person whom needs to see things and ask tons of questions so hopefully I don't annoy you!

Eric
 
yes, I have 6 solenoids as there are 2 tanks. You only need 3 per tank based on the setup that I have.

The ACjr is a stripped down version of the other AC units. If you have open spaces on your DC8 then you should definately be able to set it up on your ACII
 
Yup I do believe I do. I will be doing this after I have the original setup up and running. Is the water drain via gravity then? I noticed the solenoid valves but no pumps. Or did I miss that part?

Eric
 
I see do you have a pump hooked up. Is that hooked up via the AC? So when it says to open the solenoid there is a delay and is the pump setup on another outlet on the DC8?

Eric
 
I have the ReefKeeper Elite (RKE) on my 180.

It pretty much does it all except for feeding and cleaning.

I have it run my top off, heaters, Dimmable T5 lighting, etc.

I also havethe Net module so I can ckeck on it over the web,
and it can also send me e-mail alerts to my cell phone, etc.

I am setting up a frag system that will eventually be tied in
with the RKE to control that system as well.

I looked at alot of controllers and from my research it looks as if
the RKE id the most expandable, the most cost effective, and the
one with the most real useable features.

The also seem to be the one that the others are following,
they come out wiith a feature then the others copy it.

I recomend the RKE, I had purchaced a different controller prior to
the RKE comming out and it was no where as capable as the RKE.
 
The drain is by gravity. If you do not have a sump running yet, I would drill it below the water line and put in a bulkhead so that you do not have to worry about loosing the siphon like I do.

The supply open the valve on one outlet and then a minute later on another outlet it turns on the pump.
 

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