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Bad Experience with NYaquatics

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Hi guys, I would like to share a my experience with purchasing a Borbonius Anthias from NYaquatics. I know they are a site sponsor here on the forums, and in my opinion they are lacking in their customer support and I would like to know your opinion on my situation.

I have wanted a Borbonius Anthias for a long time, but due to them being expensive and having limited availability I never pulled the trigger. Around Black Friday I saw NYaquatics had some in stock and they were priced at $249 which was a relatively good deal. Being extremely hesitant to purchase an expensive fish like this online, I told myself “people ship fish everyday” and I completed my purchase. The following Monday (Cyber Monday) I saw NYaquatics had posted they were selling the Borbonius Anthias for even cheaper than $249, so I contacted Michael and asked for a price adjustment since my order hadn’t processed yet. He agreed and refunded me the difference. So I believe I ended up paying $175 for the Borbonius. The fish shipped out that week and arrived to me.

When the fish arrived I opened the box and it was alive and swimming in the bag. I did notice immediately that the fish we swimming a little crooked and hugging the one corner of the bag. Being that I have never purchased a fish online, I just figured the fish was adjusting from transit. I acclimated the Anthias and introduced him into the DT. I’ve never had any issues with fish as far as disease go nor have I ever had any reason to worry. When the fish went into the tank, he immediately bolted into a small cave in the rock work, which is usually what a new fish will do until it is adjusted. A few days went by with no signs of the fish, I wasn’t sure if he was even alive but I figured he was still just scared and would come out eventually. After a couple more days, I went to feed the tank and the Anthias came out of hiding to get some food, I could see he was swimming head down and seemed to be struggling to position himself where he wanted. I still just assumed he was a small fish that was in a new tank and that he would adjust over time. Now he would come out to eat, but immediately struggle to get back into his rock cave after eating. And he would never come out to roam the tank. So after another week or so, maybe longer I began to wonder what the deal was with this fish. I did some research on the forums and read that deepwatwr fish are sometimes not decompressed properly when caught and they will have gas trapped in their air bladder. It dawned on me that maybe this was the issue with this fish. I payed close attention to him the next time I fed him and I noticed his swim bladder area was very puffy about the size of a small marble. I never thought to look for this being that I’ve never had a fish with this issue before. It made sense that he would hid in the rockwork to prevent floating to the water surface. All since of a swim bladder issue.

At this time I sent Michael at NYaquatics an email asking him if he had any ideas how I could remedy this issue. His reply was simply “no other fish from this batch had this issue, try some antibiotics” and that was it. Zero concern in any other aspect. Basically just telling me I was out of luck. Everything I read online states that there are no antibiotics to treat this and the only way to fix this issue is to vent the swim bladder. To me, since there was no support from NYaquatics this was my only option to save the fish, I knew he would die eventually if I didn’t.

I just recently reached back out to Michael at NYaquatics and told him that I have done everything in my power to save this fish, I have spent a lot of money on supplies and setting up a QT for the fish. The fish is somewhat better, but still swims with his head down and will never be able to survive in the main DT. Michael basically told me to kick rocks and that there was nothing he could do for me. I told him that I have videos and images I could share with him showing the fish arrived like this, he still refused to help in anyway. All I wanted was a replacement fish, and I see he still has them in stock on his website.

Looking back, I saw the signs that the fish had a swim bladder issue when he first arrived in the bag, I could tell he wasn’t swimming like normal but I honestly just thought he was in shock from shipping. There was no way for me to immediately tell this fish had an issue, I’m only a hobbiest like everyone else. And being that the fish hid in the rock work for the first while it took some time for me to diagnose what was even going on.

I know that NYaquatics is a site sponsor and I was hoping that he would step up and handle this situation much better than he did. Especially being that this is an expensive fish. And I’m not asking for a refund, just a replacement fish. Hopefully if nothing else this post will help others think twice before doing business with NYaquatics and maybe R2R can revaluate who they allow to be sponsors on the site. Zero customer support from this company.

I’d like to know your thoughts on this issue, I believe I did everything I could to help this fish and to handle this situation given the resources I had. Am I wrong in thinking I should be sent a replacement fish?
 
Yeah, I did some research on them as a company before placing the order. Some good and some bad experiences. Then I saw R2R had them as a site sponsor, so it made me feel more comfortable. Which is why I wanted to bring them issue to the forums.
 
In a normal instance where the fish arrives dead or with a noticeable disease I would agree, but in this case it really took some time to determine there was something wrong with the fish. I brought it to his attention as soon as I concluded there was an issue. Had I known sooner, of course I would I told him immediately. Somethings just aren’t as apparent as others.
 
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Thanks,
Crabs
 
I’m on vacation so won’t spend much time on this
Bottom line
To keep price at or below wholesale borbonius are arrive alive only
I heard nothing from him more than 2 weeks post arrival
We had plenty in stock from same shipment
No issues

now 5-6 weeks later having no idea how he’s treated the fish he wants me to send him a free replacement because he feels his fish is better but still not swimming quite right???
Seriously?
 
@nyaquatics Okay, I’ve already explained that this issue wasn’t apparent when tells fish arrived, had it been I would of obviously reached out to you. I’ve spend the past weeks trying to SAVE this fish out of respect that we as humans removed him improperly from his environment. I’ve offered to send you numerous videos/ images showing the fish earlier on. I’ve simply reached out to you expressing my concern with an unhealthy fish. And you are basically accusing me of improper treatment of the fish that arrived with an issue. This seems like very poor customer service to me. Not once have you offered to help me out in anyway, instead you’ve just blown me off like this isn’t your problem. I’ve wanted one of these fish for years and it’s sad that this is my experience when I finally decide to purchase one. Lesson learned that you are purely in the fish business to make a profit and could care less about the quality of the fish you send to your customers. It’s less about the money to me and more about the healthy fish. The fish is in a QT tank just sitting in one spot with his tail flailing and his nose touching he bottom of the tank. Why would I lie about anything, I’ve never done anything but reach out to you for help in making this situation right.
 
And they are “arrive alive” only? So as long as the fish is breathing in the bag, but can’t swim that’s all you care about? You’ve got to be kidding me....
 
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Honestly to me it’s not even much of a close call
It’s a live arrival fish that’s still alive 5 weeks later
If he reached out to me within a day or 2 maybe
But It was more than 2 weeks before he contacted me
He asked what he should do and I recommended feeding antibiotic pellets which is what we do when we see this
It also would do no harm in the likely chance his diagnosis was wrong
He ignored my recommendation and decided to vent using a YouTube video for instruction
I’m sure he did more harm then good
And now I’m supposed to send him another for free?
That’s ubsurd
 
He’s making it seem like I ignored him
Talk him to shove off
I gave him my suggestion when he first brought this up
He chose to ignore me
Now that he’s made a mess of the fish wants me to throw him a free $250 fish?
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Michael,

Im not going to go back and forth with you on this thread. Your character as a business owner is already clear to me. You have gotten very defensive with me and clearly there is no resolving this with you. You seem to be the puppy mill of the saltwater world, just shipping fish out regardless of their health. It’s sad. There are tons of threads scattered around the internet about your lack of customer support, sending sick fish, the wrong fish, nasty living conditions for these fish at your warehouse etc. A simple “NYaquatics” search on google shows these. And what do you do in every thread? You get defensive and act like nothing is your fault. I’m going to leave it like that and stop going back and forth with you like I’m arguing with my younger brother. Lesson learned on my end, not to do business with you again. It’s sad this was my first and last experience with you guys. Hopefully people read this before they buy fish knowing that if something does go wrong, it is their fault and never Michaels fault. Hopefully you can do better in the future.
 
And by the way, I didn’t make a mess of the fish. I tried to save his life because the help you offered was vague to say the least. But thanks for assuming that, again bad customer support on your end. If you truly cared about these fish you would of been happy I’m doing everything I can to save the fish. Did you want me to send the durin fish back to you in NJ so that it could die in shipping? Not sure what you expected me to do. Maybe an specific antibiotic type recommendation? But no, like always you seemed like you didn’t have time to fully help, just enough to get me out of your messages.
 
Makes sense
I suggest using antibiotic pellets
You’re not sure what brand so instead of asking for a recommendation you decide to vent instead
But of course you did all you could
It’s my fault even though none of my borbs display any issues
And I should send another
Lol
 
Michael,

The fish is now dead. There’s not really anything funny about this. I tried everything to save this fish. Everything. If you had some solution in your mind why not reach out to me and give me a call to help? Instead you sent one short message and nothing else was said. I woke up this morning to him floating at the top of the QT. I’ve spend over $100 of my own money trying to save this fish, setting up a QT and buying supplies. So there’s really no point in continuing this blaming game that you are playing. You are very unprofessional when it comes to customer issues and everyone will see that from this post. Hopefully it helps people judge before doing business with you. Now I’m out $250 on a fish, and the fish suffered for weeks before dying. Life goes on. If you decide you want to help me in anyway getting another fish, you have my contact info and you can contact me privately. Bashing the situation on her accomplished nothing and only makes you look bad. Hopefully I can report back to this thread with better news that you were willing to make this right.
 
Michael,

I’ve sent you one last private message with hope of working this out. The fish is dead and I attached pictures for you. Hopefully we can both compromise and meet somewhere in the middle so your business doesn’t suffer from this and I get a healthy fish in return. Please let me know if there is anything I should do with the fish, I will send it back to you if required so you can see that it is truly dead.
 
Here are some bad experiences that I found with a brief search of google, they all seem to have one thing in common, bad customer support from Michael. These reviews are from EVERY SINGLE saltwater forum out there. And there are so many that I got sick of copying and pasting. Admins, is this really someone you want as a site sponsor? Give these a read and note how aggressive and demeaning Michael is to the customers. @revhtree @Crabs McJones @Daniel@R2R @dbl @Shep

I’m not going to quit bringing this issue to light until something is done, it’s pathetic to have people like this in the saltwater industry taking people hard earned money in return for unhealthy fish.













 
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I sent Michael a nice final message asking him to meet me in the middle, note how I've never once been aggressive with this guy throughout this entire ordeal:

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This was his response just now..

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Michael,

I'm not going to just sweep this under the rug like nothing happened, sorry. It looks like you have wronged numerous people throughout the years and the proof is all over the internet. And I will continue to press this topic until you make this right. The internet is a powerful tool and so are forums like R2R, you cannot treat people like this and expect to stay in business, it will eventually catch up to you. And to answer your question in the PM you sent me, no im not insane. I believe I was wronged by you and your business and my main focus is for you to make this situation right.

Copying @revhtree to keep the admins in the loop.
 
The fish is live arrival.
no issue reported for more than 2 weeks.
Anything I choose to offer would have been above and beyond.
So you decide to post a thread bashing me and mischaracterizing our discussions (whoops, you forgot I told you what to do and you chose to ignore me) then "nicely" ask for me to work with you
Then you troll through old posts digging up every disgruntled customer (ignoring the 100x more very happy customers) and then send me "a nice final message asking him to meet me in the middle, "
WHY WOULD I THROW MONEY AT YOU THAT YOU DON'T DESERVE WHILE YOU PUBLICLY BASH ME?

PLEASE TRY TO GO GET YOURSELF A LIFE, OR MOVE TO A UNIVERSE WHERE YOUR BEHAVIOR MIGHT MAKE SENSE.

Now as nicely as I can say it, I'm moving on from you.
I will not respond to any more posts, emails, PMs.
I will not throw money at you to shut you up (I don't do extortion)
You can try to spin this any way you choose.
Signing off.

M
 
Haha extortion. Never once did I demand money from you or threaten you in anyway. I’m free to voice my opinions and that’s all I did. Never did I talk in a bad way or aggressively about you. Actually I just wanted a replacement fish. This thread will remain for others to read and hopefully they make a wise decision before purchasing from you. You chose to provide horrible customer service to not only me but others. The proof is above. If you ran an honest business there wouldn’t be any dirt for me to find on your business. Everything lives on the internet there is no hiding it.
 
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