Banana Wrasse in QT

Carpenter Wayne · Mar 23, 2021

Need help! I have a banana wrasse in my 40 gallon breeder qt he has been in full dose copper treatment now for ten (10) days. CopperPower at 2.0ppm on Hanna checker, not including a five (5) day gradual increase of copper inorder to reach the 2.0ppm mark. Started PraziPro 5 days ago (dosed at 2.5mg/l). Four (4) days ago I first noticed something going on with his upper lip. Looked as if he burnt it on the heater, I say that, because his upper lip was red on the outer corners with clear signs of inflammation and white in the middle. Day seven (7) of copper and three (3) days of PraziPro treatment. Didn't notice a change in his appearance, but now first noticing flashing. This is also day seven (7) of copper treatment, performing a 50% water change. Seeing him flash got me really concerned, so started my research on possible issues other than burns. My research brought me to mouth rot, the closest and only thing I could compare his signs and symptoms to. With mouth rot I could only find antibiotics to help for that. Not wanting to add anything more to the water column, I made a food mixture with antibiotics (Furan2) inside. He has been eating the food mixture twice a day. The at setup he in is a Fluval 75 aqua clear HOB with a handful of seeded matrix, a filter bag with another handful of seeded matrix on the bottom of the tank, an air pump connected to a air stone, submersible wavemaker (7 out of 10), titanium submersible heater (77°F), pvc piping, and most important for a wrasse a glass top. Brings us to today, his signs and symptoms hasn't changed much if at all any. Looking for help in advice and/or other recommendations on his treatment and care. The pictures are the best I can obtain with him being a wrasse, moving all over the place and being very quick. Water quality is very cloudy, not because of a bacterial bloom, but due to the addition of PraziPro .

Jay Hemdal · Mar 23, 2021

Prazipro has a solvent in it that bacteria eats, causing low oxygen and cloudy water, but it shouldn’t be that cloudy.

The lesion isnt from a heater burn, they don’t get hot enough underwater. The wrasse may have gotten startled and ran into something.

None of the ingredients of Furan 2 have an accepted oral dose, they are all used as baths, I would not make medicated food out of that products.

I would change enough water to clear it, redose the copper and then dose the water with an antibiotic - Furan 2 would be a good choice in the water.

The ammonia level is being kept below 0.25 mg/l?

Jay

Carpenter Wayne · Mar 30, 2021

Jay Hemdal said:
Prazipro has a solvent in it that bacteria eats, causing low oxygen and cloudy water, but it shouldn’t be that cloudy.

The lesion isnt from a heater burn, they don’t get hot enough underwater. The wrasse may have gotten startled and ran into something.

None of the ingredients of Furan 2 have an accepted oral dose, they are all used as baths, I would not make medicated food out of that products.

I would change enough water to clear it, redose the copper and then dose the water with an antibiotic - Furan 2 would be a good choice in the water.

The ammonia level is being kept below 0.25 mg/l?

Jay

Thank you for the guidance. I took your advice and almost followed it to a tee. I waited on the antibiotic and the water change, due to the water had cleared up considerably and I only had one more day to hit the 14 day copper treatment. Not sure why the water cleared up, could have been either the Microbacter7 started to work or the previous water change had a chance to settle, or even both. On day 15, did a 50% water change with starting the antibiotic Furan2, the same day, per your suggestion. I'm currently on day 3 of 4 day as recommended on the box with the 25% water change every 24 hours. The water is tinted yellow, but the little guy appears to be doing much better. He has been more active, with no signs of flashing. Still has white lips upper and lower, but seems to be less inflamed, possibly. It is hard to discribe. I will attempt to take a picture and post it. On the fence for a second round of antibiotics, but afraid if I don't we might go backwards, which will be very disheartening. Thank you so much for the advice, as it is so hard with pets, not to mention a new species of pet. If only they could talk and speak our language.

Carpenter Wayne · Mar 31, 2021

Carpenter Wayne said:
Thank you for the guidance. I took your advice and almost followed it to a tee. I waited on the antibiotic and the water change, due to the water had cleared up considerably and I only had one more day to hit the 14 day copper treatment. Not sure why the water cleared up, could have been either the Microbacter7 started to work or the previous water change had a chance to settle, or even both. On day 15, did a 50% water change with starting the antibiotic Furan2, the same day, per your suggestion. I'm currently on day 3 of 4 day as recommended on the box with the 25% water change every 24 hours. The water is tinted yellow, but the little guy appears to be doing much better. He has been more active, with no signs of flashing. Still has white lips upper and lower, but seems to be less inflamed, possibly. It is hard to discribe. I will attempt to take a picture and post it. On the fence for a second round of antibiotics, but afraid if I don't we might go backwards, which will be very disheartening. Thank you so much for the advice, as it is so hard with pets, not to mention a new species of pet. If only they could talk and speak our language.

Carpenter Wayne · Mar 31, 2021

This is from today still on 3rd day of antibiotics.

Jay Hemdal · Mar 31, 2021

Carpenter Wayne said:
Thank you for the guidance. I took your advice and almost followed it to a tee. I waited on the antibiotic and the water change, due to the water had cleared up considerably and I only had one more day to hit the 14 day copper treatment. Not sure why the water cleared up, could have been either the Microbacter7 started to work or the previous water change had a chance to settle, or even both. On day 15, did a 50% water change with starting the antibiotic Furan2, the same day, per your suggestion. I'm currently on day 3 of 4 day as recommended on the box with the 25% water change every 24 hours. The water is tinted yellow, but the little guy appears to be doing much better. He has been more active, with no signs of flashing. Still has white lips upper and lower, but seems to be less inflamed, possibly. It is hard to discribe. I will attempt to take a picture and post it. On the fence for a second round of antibiotics, but afraid if I don't we might go backwards, which will be very disheartening. Thank you so much for the advice, as it is so hard with pets, not to mention a new species of pet. If only they could talk and speak our language.

I think you can consider just finishing up day 4 of the furan, then observe it for a couple of weeks to ensure it heals fully and doesn’t relapse.
Jay