Bangaii cardinal parasite poop??

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I recently got my boy Bangaii a Girlfriend, now I think maybe his girl friend gave him the VD? He's always been a picky eater but he's eating even worse now. It's only been a week and I dont see any eggs in his mouth.

The new Bangaii looks fine, but it's poop is funny looking. My original Bangaii is looking way to skinny.

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I recently got my boy Bangaii a Girlfriend, now I think maybe his girl friend gave him the VD? He's always been a picky eater but he's eating even worse now. It's only been a week and I dont see any eggs in his mouth.

The new Bangaii looks fine, but it's poop is funny looking. My original Bangaii is looking way to skinny.

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Worm or not fully digested shrimp shell? 16228520990272103640787837923892.jpg 16228521531802615622763403616266.jpg
What are you feeding them? Do you know if they were wild caught or tank raised?
How did you sex them? I’ve never been able to tell male from female until I see the male carrying.
Jay
 
What are you feeding them? Do you know if they were wild caught or tank raised?
How did you sex them? I’ve never been able to tell male from female until I see the male carrying.
Jay

LRS reef frenzy I think, and Hikari brine shrimp. And occasional LIVE BBD or pods

The new one isn't as picky but my current one has always been a picky eater
 
LRS reef frenzy I think, and Hikari brine shrimp. And occasional LIVE BBD or pods

The new one isn't as picky but my current one has always been a picky eater

Also I did a whole thread on sexing them :)
 

Also I did a whole thread on sexing them :)
Ah, I thought the vent sexing only worked on mature adults.

The reason I asked if the fish were wild caught or not is the prevalence of BCIR in them. Here is an excerpt from my upcoming book on that issue:

Banggai Cardinalfish Iridovirus (BCIR)
This fish was originally discovered in 1933 but then lost to science for about 60 years, when the Banggai cardinalfish (Pterapogon kauderni) was “rediscovered” and began entering the tropical fish trade. Aquarists noted how hardy the species was and that they were very easy to reproduce in captivity. A decade later, the price for wild-caught Banggai cardinalfish had decreased fivefold, but the animals were now considered very delicate, with high losses seen in newly acquired wild fish.

What was the cause of this sudden change in the apparent health of this species in captivity? Poor handling, collection with cyanide (unlikely), and bacterial disease were all suggested as possible reasons for this change. A researcher then published a study showing that the presence of an iridovirus was associated with episodes of mass mortality in newly imported cardinalfish (Weber et al. 2009). A similar virus has since been isolated from the common batfish, Platax orbicularis (Sriwanayos et al. 2013), but a corresponding high mortality in aquarium fish of that species has not been noted, perhaps because many fewer batfish are imported for the pet trade than the ever-popular Banggai cardinalfish.

Since there is no cure for this viral disease, captive-raised fish that were never exposed to wild stock, or fish that have subsequently developed immunity by surviving an infection would be the best choices for aquarists. Avoid inexpensive wild-caught Banggai Cardinalfish. Not only do they have a poor survival record, but they’re also being collected at such a high rate that wild populations are locally threatened with extinction.



Jay
 
Ah, I thought the vent sexing only worked on mature adults.

The reason I asked if the fish were wild caught or not is the prevalence of BCIR in them. Here is an excerpt from my upcoming book on that issue:

Banggai Cardinalfish Iridovirus (BCIR)
This fish was originally discovered in 1933 but then lost to science for about 60 years, when the Banggai cardinalfish (Pterapogon kauderni) was “rediscovered” and began entering the tropical fish trade. Aquarists noted how hardy the species was and that they were very easy to reproduce in captivity. A decade later, the price for wild-caught Banggai cardinalfish had decreased fivefold, but the animals were now considered very delicate, with high losses seen in newly acquired wild fish.

What was the cause of this sudden change in the apparent health of this species in captivity? Poor handling, collection with cyanide (unlikely), and bacterial disease were all suggested as possible reasons for this change. A researcher then published a study showing that the presence of an iridovirus was associated with episodes of mass mortality in newly imported cardinalfish (Weber et al. 2009). A similar virus has since been isolated from the common batfish, Platax orbicularis (Sriwanayos et al. 2013), but a corresponding high mortality in aquarium fish of that species has not been noted, perhaps because many fewer batfish are imported for the pet trade than the ever-popular Banggai cardinalfish.

Since there is no cure for this viral disease, captive-raised fish that were never exposed to wild stock, or fish that have subsequently developed immunity by surviving an infection would be the best choices for aquarists. Avoid inexpensive wild-caught Banggai Cardinalfish. Not only do they have a poor survival record, but they’re also being collected at such a high rate that wild populations are locally threatened with extinction.



Jay

Haha I'm not sure what size they have to be for the vent method to work, I've still never seen it on a living swimming cardinal. Only on dead ones when I make it pop out. Although my male should be close to mature, he is at least 1 year old.

Live Aquaria said he was captive bred, and my LFS said they where captive bred. I've never seen a wild caught for sale to my knowledge.
Lots of people call it a beginner fish but I've always had bad luck with them. Very finicky eaters.
 

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