Beginner: First Tank (Trying to get a handle on everything)

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I have a few questions about getting my first tank started. It is a 25g tank. I have all of the required parts on order and they should arrive soon. I have been reading all of the guides on getting started with a tank and there seem to be varying ideas. The normal cycle of buying dry rocks and letting them cycle for two months seems like the most common idea, but that is a long time to just wait. There seems to be another camp of people who buy the already live wet rocks and place them in a new tank instead of going through the full cycle. Is this an acceptable idea? I fully understand that there can be unexpected things with this method (fish and other critters). But would it be feasible to fill my tank with my saltwater poor in my live sand and let it settle. Then place in some already wet live rocks and let that set for a week or two to make sure everything is ok while looking to see if anything deiced to come along. After all of that being to put in the inverts and build up slowly from there. Will this method work out?
 
What you describe is what I did. I bought live sand, poured it in with the water, let settle for a week, bought live rock from the LFS, placed in tank, monitored ammonia/nitrite/nitrate for another week, everything was normal and then I added my CUC. On week four I had fish and corals. So it's definitely feasible but a little more expensive.
 
Perfectly acceptable to go the live rock way. It will certainly speed up the cycle process, and in some cases if done properly, you may not even notice a cycle. It can be more expensive so that is one consideration.

Please keep in mind, and I'm not being critical here, the one thing you want to be sure and do is learn to be patient. Please do not feel rushed to get "life" in to your tank. If you're in this for the long-haul like I hope you are, then patience is key. If it takes two months to get a tank cycled, then so be it. Two months of a lifetime of enjoyment in nothing! Starting off correctly will pay great dividends in the long run. I know it's exciting and you'll want to get fish and corals in the tank as soon as possible, just don't rush it. Patience wins this race time and time again.

Good luck with the new tank.

EDIT: Forgot to say welcome to R2R. As you can see, we're all here to help you along your journey.
 
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First off; From one new member to another - welcome!

I'm sure that there are others out there that can offer better advice than I could. But as I'm going through this right now, perhaps I can provide one piece of advice:
Take it slow.

Check out the link below in my sig for the full story. In short; I've caused myself a bit of grief simply because I wasn't patient enough and rushed the initial tank cycle a bit (only by about a week). I'm now recovering from that (by going slower), but it's been both costly and stressful. Still loving the adventure, but I would have enjoyed a smoother start, for sure...

Good luck and be sure to start a build thread!
 
Welcome to R2R! :) great place for any info your looking for.

+1 to @dbl response.
I rushed my first two tanks and it ended horribly both times.
little bit of patience and self control and my tanks have been successful since then.
 
I am relatively new too and I know it can be frustrating to try and sort out all the wonderful advice you will get here at R2R. They all want to help but everyone goes about setting up a tank differently. For certain things, especially "how to set up a new tank" you will get a BIG range of advice. If you happen to have a good, reliable, well-respected LFS in your area, you are a step ahead. Ask them questions and they can be a great resource. But defining a "good LFS" is hard too. How long have they been in business? How long have the people that work there been there? (ask them!) What is their quarantine procedure? How much are they selling fish for? Where do they get their fish? If they have really cheap prices on their fish and their answers seem geared toward just selling you stuff asap ... beware!
I have a GREAT LFS and my guy there gave me this great advice - there is often no hard, fast right or wrong answer to many questions. You can do one thing several different ways. A good reef system can happen in various ways, you just have to weigh your wants, needs, budget and time. It is easier to know what not to do, rather than what to do (as there are many variations as to how to set up your first tank)
Here's some things to ask yourself:
How patient are you?
Would you rather get livestock in there as soon as is possible or are you willing to wait for a month or two or even longer?
How important is cost?
What kind of corals appeal to you? (certain corals, the "hard" corals, need more light and lights are very expensive - so you might want to save your money for lights and spend less on the initial rock)

We were faced with the same kinds of questions you have now. We decided to opt for a "middle of the road" route - used a combo of live rock purchased direct from reputable LFS and the rest dry rock purchased cheaply from an online source. We used almost all dry sand and got a cup of live sand from same LFS. We did it this way to save money on the rock and sand. We decided to go slower and save more money at first. But you have a small system, so buying good, fresh live rock from your LFS will not be that much. Starting with all live rock will make your start-up time shorter. BUT you will also get "hitchhikers" in with that rock - some of those critters will be good, some not good. If you start with all dry rock (clean dry rock) and dry sand, you won't have to worry about hitchhikers, but it will likely take longer for your tank to get cycled and reach a stable point.

But very best advice has already been said - take it slow. Understand what you are doing and why. Ask questions right here.

I write really long replies, sorry. Years of being a journalist, I type super fast! :)
Welcome!
 
One thing I forgot to mention is live rock/sand from TBS. Never used them but @d2mini swears by it and he has been extremely successful! So you can take a look at that too...

PS: You can check his build threads, especially the latest one, to see the quality on the products you will receive.
 
Hey! I'm also new to the hobby. I also noticed you're in Auburn AL. I'm currently stationed in Montgomery AL! But anyways, what I did for my tank was go to the LFS (Local Fish Store) and purchased my RO/DIO water. It's cheap and it helps keep water in check a lot better than tap water. I placed my live sand in first followed by sculpting my rocks. I have a 30g tank with 40lbs of live rock. They fit perfectly. I then poured my water in. I currently have a biocube 29g equipped with a protein skimmer and reef matrix( google it, pretty good for filtration.) I fed my tank a few days and my cycle took off! After about a week I noticed a diatom bloom and about a week or two after (current time) I have some green algae and the diatoms are going away. Take your time with it and it will be a huge success which will lead you to be very proud of your patience! If you have any questions you can always PM me. Especially since you're pretty close and I like to go to Auburn anyways! But good luck! image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg
 
Welcome To R2R and also Welcome @Luis Ojeda
@gallin you are off to a good start just by asking. As stated above you will get many different opinions on what to do.

I went the rout the @morpheas suggested and I had to be patience and it pays off.
 
Welcome to R2R !!
Are there many good LFS in your city?
What's the creature in your avatar picture?
Since many people have answered your question, I want to ask you some questions :)

-MJ-
Thanks for the welcome!
I think the only close place is a PetCo. Which I have seen some people like and others don't. There is another about 50min away that I was in the other day and they seemed like a nice place to get a few things from.
My picture is a Pistol Shrimp. When I made my account to day it wanted a picture so I just googled until I found something that looked interesting! haha.
 
Welcome to r2r and the hobby! Using live rock will definitely work for a quicker cycle. However there will always be some die off transferring live rock, so I would expect it to still cycle for a few weeks.
That sounds good! Thank you for the input!
 
Hey! I'm also new to the hobby. I also noticed you're in Auburn AL. I'm currently stationed in Montgomery AL! But anyways, what I did for my tank was go to the LFS (Local Fish Store) and purchased my RO/DIO water. It's cheap and it helps keep water in check a lot better than tap water. I placed my live sand in first followed by sculpting my rocks. I have a 30g tank with 40lbs of live rock. They fit perfectly. I then poured my water in. I currently have a biocube 29g equipped with a protein skimmer and reef matrix( google it, pretty good for filtration.) I fed my tank a few days and my cycle took off! After about a week I noticed a diatom bloom and about a week or two after (current time) I have some green algae and the diatoms are going away. Take your time with it and it will be a huge success which will lead you to be very proud of your patience! If you have any questions you can always PM me. Especially since you're pretty close and I like to go to Auburn anyways! But good luck! image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg
Thank you for sharing your experience! Glad to know that method worked. It's nice to know there is someone close by keeping a reef also.
 
What you describe is what I did. I bought live sand, poured it in with the water, let settle for a week, bought live rock from the LFS, placed in tank, monitored ammonia/nitrite/nitrate for another week, everything was normal and then I added my CUC. On week four I had fish and corals. So it's definitely feasible but a little more expensive.
Glad to know that that worked! I will keep an eye on the levels and hope it all works out.
 
Welcome to all the new folks( I'm new too but been on here for over 8 months. All I can say is read all the messages and basically read everything, consume it and know that there will be errors, mistakes made, not waiting long enough when you think you did ( even if test say everything is Ok ) but it's not.
Buy good test equipment, going to spend some money on that. It a wonderful rewarding hobby but can get expensive but again take your time, gather your thoughts research and ask tons of questions.
 
When I first started (the second time) it was because my bosses 180 sprung a leak and he was downsizing. I started off with live sand, a tank full of his live rock, and even 1/3 of his water. Stirring things up like that caused quite a bit of an ammonia spike but I patiently waited a month or more to start adding fish, watching the cycle complete full circle almost daily. Knowing what I know now one thing I wish I had done is added fish one at a time about a month apart. What I didn't realize is just because the tank was cycled you still have to wait for the good bacteria to handle the bio load from each living thing you put in there. Probably 2 months in I added several things fairly close to eachother and it ended up resulting in quite a bit of nitrates and green algae growth. That ended with quite a bit of time, money, and effort to get a handle on about 6 months in. Even starting with all cured stuff I feel it still takes about a year for a tank to mature. That's when I started to really see things working right, and the coralline algae take off. Also I'd just add that every time I walked into the lfs during that time they seen me coming trying to sell me everything under the sun to "help" and speed things up, which sometimes ended with more problems. Which in return they magically required for me to buy something else later. So keep that in mind. The hobby takes patience for sure.
 

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