Bicolor Angel Sick - Cloudy Eyes, Scratching

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Hey everyone, I’ve never posted on an aquarium forum, but I have a sick angelfish, and I’m getting desperate. It’s a Bicolor Angel that I got a week and a half ago, and it has developed cloudy eyes and is acting weird (flashing, scratching, hovering, and not eating). It currently lives in a 55 gallon FOWLR with a blue spotted puffer, melanurus wrasse, blue damsel, diamond goby, and Darwin clown. I had a bicolor a few months ago, but it died (also around the two week mark), so I’m getting concerned that I’ll lose this one too. Any help would be appreciated, I’ve only been into the hobby for about a year, so I haven’t had much experience with these situations. Thank y’all so much in advance!

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It’s likely bacterial or ammonia burn and you will need to step up on water quality
What is your ammonia-ph- nitrate and salinity
What test kits are you using?
Treatment is Maracyn 2 in quarantine or ruby rally pro
 
Hey everyone, I’ve never posted on an aquarium forum, but I have a sick angelfish, and I’m getting desperate. It’s a Bicolor Angel that I got a week and a half ago, and it has developed cloudy eyes and is acting weird (flashing, scratching, hovering, and not eating). It currently lives in a 55 gallon FOWLR with a blue spotted puffer, melanurus wrasse, blue damsel, diamond goby, and Darwin clown. I had a bicolor a few months ago, but it died (also around the two week mark), so I’m getting concerned that I’ll lose this one too. Any help would be appreciated, I’ve only been into the hobby for about a year, so I haven’t had much experience with these situations. Thank y’all so much in advance!

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Welcome to Reef2Reef!

Can you post a short video of it? (Sometimes, linking to a You Tube video works well).
Is the fish resting on the bottom, or propped up against the rock? That is a really bad sign.
Is it breathing rapidly?

Jay
 
It’s likely bacterial or ammonia burn and you will need to step up on water quality
What is your ammonia-ph- nitrate and salinity
What test kits are you using?
Treatment is Maracyn 2 in quarantine or ruby rally pro
I went to my LFS since they said it was also likely ammonia, but after testing the water they said that the ammonia was normal, but I don’t know the exact parameters. The employee suggested that this was a virus and there’s nothing I can do.
 
Welcome to Reef2Reef!

Can you post a short video of it? (Sometimes, linking to a You Tube video works well).
Is the fish resting on the bottom, or propped up against the rock? That is a really bad sign.
Is it breathing rapidly?

Jay
I can’t get a video since it’s been hiding in the caves, but I can see that it’s not touching rocks or sand, just hovering. The cloudiness on its eyes is getting worse, and it’s getting black spots on the yellow half. Also, it is breathing very rapidly. Thank y’all for the help.
 
I can’t get a video since it’s been hiding in the caves, but I can see that it’s not touching rocks or sand, just hovering. The cloudiness on its eyes is getting worse, and it’s getting black spots on the yellow half. Also, it is breathing very rapidly. Thank y’all for the help.

It is unlikely to be a virus, but there is no way to know for certain.

At this point, you might consider a "Hail Mary" move and give the fish a 5 minute freshwater dip. This could very well kill the fish outright, but the standard thought is that any fish that cannot survive a 5 minute FW dip was destined to die in the next 24 hours anyway. The dip won't cure the fish, but it may buy you some more time in order to figure out a full treatment. Dips will NOT help if this is a bacterial issue.

Here is some information about dips:
. “Freshwater dips” are commonly used to dislodge parasites from the skin of marine fishes. To perform these dips, the fish is captured and placed in a dimly lit container of clean freshwater the same temperature as the aquarium system it came from. Do not use reverse osmosis or deionized water, as there is no buffer capacity and the pH can drop too low. Dechlorinated tap water is suitable unless it is very acidic. The dip container should be covered with a clear material so that the fish is kept from jumping out, yet can still be observed for overt signs of stress. Hold the fish in the freshwater for five minutes to seven minutes. If acute stress is seen, the dip may need to be terminated early. The idea is to dislodge the parasites, without unduly harming the fish. Many aquarists opt to use reverse osmosis water, and adjust the pH to match the aquarium, but this is simply not necessary if the pH of the freshwater is between 7.5 and 8.5. Some advocate to not aerate the water during the dip, but this is incorrect. The water motion from air bubbles can help keep the fish active so that they can be better assessed for stress. Additionally, the air bubbles help dislodge some parasites during the dip process.

Some caveats:
1) Some fish will give extreme reactions to being dipped (hepatus tangs for example), as long as they were swimming well before the dip, it is best to ignore that behavior and continue for a full five minutes.
2) Moribund fish can be dipped, but understand that the acute stress from the dip may prove fatal. The dip water should still be checked for parasites in order to possibly help any remaining fish. Moribund would include any fish that was easy to capture or a fish with a respiration rate of 200+ BPM.
3) Choose the type of net wisely, some fish have spines that will become caught in the netting. Have a pair of scissors handy to cut the net if this happens.
4) Dropping a fish while moving it to and from the dip is common, take care. Some fish have venomous spines, so know that before trying to handle any fish.
5) Fish shaking their heads violently after capture is one cause of mechanical exophthalmos (popeye), so try to gently restrain them in the net while moving them.
 
I went to my LFS since they said it was also likely ammonia, but after testing the water they said that the ammonia was normal, but I don’t know the exact parameters. The employee suggested that this was a virus and there’s nothing I can do.
Lymphocystis is a virus, slime is viral. THIS Is NOT viral and is a condition.
Poor LFS advice warranting a different LFS especially as bicolor is not an ideal angel susceptible to disease and starvation
This requires treatment and soon. Do you know what test kit they used?
If it’s API, you are likely getting a false reading
Automatically, perform a water change
Use treatment mentioned for best chance of recovery
Is fish eating?
Also, what is age of tank?
 
Lymphocystis is a virus, slime is viral. THIS Is NOT viral and is a condition.
Poor LFS advice warranting a different LFS especially as bicolor is not an ideal angel susceptible to disease and starvation
This requires treatment and soon. Do you know what test kit they used?
If it’s API, you are likely getting a false reading
Automatically, perform a water change
Use treatment mentioned for best chance of recovery
Is fish eating?
Also, what is age of tank?
I don’t know what kind of test kit, but I’m changing the water as a precaution regardless. The fish WAS eating (mysis and pellets) until a couple days ago. I tried to feed again today but it’s hiding and won’t leave the cover of rocks. I know it says don’t use RO water for a dip, but that’s all I have on hand, and I can’t change the pH of it, is that ok? Also, can I target feed during a dip? Thanks.
 
I don’t know what kind of test kit, but I’m changing the water as a precaution regardless. The fish WAS eating (mysis and pellets) until a couple days ago. I tried to feed again today but it’s hiding and won’t leave the cover of rocks. I know it says don’t use RO water for a dip, but that’s all I have on hand, and I can’t change the pH of it, is that ok? Also, can I target feed during a dip? Thanks.
If you have a pH test kit, you can put a pinch of baking soda in the RODI water, test it for a pH near 8.0 and use that. Many people just use straight RODI, it just isn't the best thing to do.

Jay
 
sorry about your frustration, we have all been there. Going forward you should set up a quarantine tank and treat all new additions there before adding them to the main display. Copper power for 30 days followed with API general cure is what I just started doing after getting tired of losing fish due to not quarantining. good luck
 
sorry about your frustration, we have all been there. Going forward you should set up a quarantine tank and treat all new additions there before adding them to the main display. Copper power for 30 days followed with API general cure is what I just started doing after getting tired of losing fish due to not quarantining. good luck
I really appreciate it. I’m currently living in a college dorm so I don’t have any more room for an extra tank, but my LFS says they quarantine in copper before selling.
 
If you have a pH test kit, you can put a pinch of baking soda in the RODI water, test it for a pH near 8.0 and use that. Many people just use straight RODI, it just isn't the best thing to do.

Jay
I just finished the freshwater dip and it’s still alive, so I guess that’s good. It’s also hanging out towards the top so I got some good pictures and a video like you asked. I’ll attach them.

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I just finished the freshwater dip and it’s still alive, so I guess that’s good. It’s also hanging out towards the top so I got some good pictures and a video like you asked. I’ll attach them.

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Now I can see both eyes are messed up pretty badly. The angel is also still breathing hard.

Is it still alive this morning?

Jay
 
Tank looks new, how long has it been running?
 
Now I can see both eyes are messed up pretty badly. The angel is also still breathing hard.

Is it still alive this morning?

Jay
Yes, it’s hanging in there but still looks pretty bad. Do you have any idea of what the ailment is?
 
UPDATE:
I got back and found the angel floating in the water column with both of its eyes ruptured, and it’s dead. Thanks for the help everyone, I really appreciate it.
 
UPDATE:
I got back and found the angel floating in the water column with both of its eyes ruptured, and it’s dead. Thanks for the help everyone, I really appreciate it

Very sorryt to hear.

jay
 
UPDATE:
I got back and found the angel floating in the water column with both of its eyes ruptured, and it’s dead. Thanks for the help everyone, I really appreciate it.
Sorry for the lil guy. DO NOT get discouraged! It happens to all of us. Start watching some quarantine vids on you tube, lots to learn in there. Good luck!
 

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