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ANDREW PRITCHARD · Jan 23, 2020

Hi all
Over last week I've noticed something wrong with female clown and now the male clown has it

Can anyone tell me what this is please

ANDREW PRITCHARD · Jan 23, 2020

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Sailfin11 · Jan 23, 2020

What do you think that the problem is? They look okay in the picture.

Dom · Jan 23, 2020

If you are speaking of the white dots on the head, it looks like it could be Ich or Velvet.

How long do you have them? Did you quarantine them first or did they go right from the bag into the tank?

vetteguy53081 · Jan 23, 2020

Brooklynella- common clown disease and has association with ich parasite.
There are varying methods to treat an aquarium that has been infested with Brooklynella. They range from adding copper, malachite green, and other remedies, with some of those recommended being used in conjunction with formaldehyde. The best treatment is a freshwater bath followed by Formalin which is a 37% solution of formaldehyde gas dissolved in water with methanol added as a stabilizer.
It has been found to be an effective treatment for Brooklynellah however, formalin is a very powerful chemical and should be used very carefully. Follow the proper instructions and take the correct safety measures. Typically a standard formalin solution is mixed with either fresh or saltwater in a separate treatment container. Initially, all fish are given a quick dip in the formalin at a higher concentration, followed by continued treatment in a prolonged bath of formalin at a lower concentration preferably in a quarantine tank (QT).

Dom · Jan 23, 2020

vetteguy53081 said:
Brooklynella- common clown disease.

Common. And fatal if left untreated.

Dom · Jan 23, 2020

I noticed you have also posted in the fish disease form about this. You've had them 1 year. But you must have added something recently for them to have suddenly developed this disease.

What have you added in the last two weeks that went from the bag into the display?

ANDREW PRITCHARD · Jan 23, 2020

Yeah for a year I've had a flame angel coral beauty and these 2 clowns
About 3 weeks ago I added a flasher wrasse and then couple of weeks later the flame angel just died over night dont know fed him before went to bed
And since that feed I haven't seen the flasher wrasse
And now a week later I've started to notice this

Only problem is I haven't got a qt tank
I have ordered some palylab that's reef safe that's meant to kill parasites
Would this be no good?

ANDREW PRITCHARD · Jan 23, 2020

I have just fed pellet and they have eaten it

MnFish1 · Jan 23, 2020

First they are very pretty,
Second - It looks like velvet. It would be odd (asking @vetteguy53081 ) for brook to be brought in by a wrasse - and then quickly kill a flame angel - But - yes - it looks like Brook or velvet to me.

Seems like you should take them, put them in a hospital tank and treat with copper at minimum - and possibly formaldehyde as described here:

Signs and Symptoms of Brooklynella Disease in Fish

Brooklynella is a parasitic disease that is often called the "clownfish disease." Learn the causes, treatment, and prevention to reduce the risk.

www.thesprucepets.com

MnFish1 · Jan 23, 2020

and here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/volume_6/volume_6_1/brooklynella.htm

Dom · Jan 23, 2020

ANDREW PRITCHARD said:
Yeah for a year I've had a flame angel coral beauty and these 2 clowns
About 3 weeks ago I added a flasher wrasse and then couple of weeks later the flame angel just died over night dont know fed him before went to bed
And since that feed I haven't seen the flasher wrasse
And now a week later I've started to notice this

Only problem is I haven't got a qt tank
I have ordered some palylab that's reef safe that's meant to kill parasites
Would this be no good?

As I understand, you cannot treat for things like Velvet and Brook in the display tank. All fish need to be treated in QT and your display tank must remain fallow for 76 days (why not round it out to an even 90 days?).

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These members are well versed in the subject of fish disease. There are others, so don't dismiss your responses.

MnFish1 · Jan 23, 2020

Dom said:
As I understand, you cannot treat for things like Velvet and Brook in the display tank. All fish need to be treated in QT and your display tank must remain fallow for 76 days (why not round it out to an even 90 days?).

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Not sure about the fallow period for 76 days - thats for CI. But - there shoudl be a fallow period

Crabs McJones · Jan 23, 2020

Dom said:
As I understand, you cannot treat for things like Velvet and Brook in the display tank. All fish need to be treated in QT and your display tank must remain fallow for 76 days (why not round it out to an even 90 days?).

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@Big G
@Flippers4pups
@vetteguy53081
@Crabs McJones

These members are well versed in the subject of fish disease. There are others, so don't dismiss your responses.

Correct, you NEVER want to treat in the display tank for a number of reasons. Even if you can run to your local fish store and pick up a cheap aqueon tank and a hang on back power filter that would be sufficient enough.
Live rock absorbs copper and other medications, so in your display it would be hard to maintain therapeutic levels as the rocks absorbs it, and then later on after treatment the rock will leach it out over time, you'd likely never be able to successfully house corals or sensitive inverts.
And the display tank must remain without fish for 78 days so that any traces of parasites are starved off. 78 days will take care of ich, velvet, brook ect...

What I would do is run and pick up a cheap tank and power filter, and a bacteria suppliment such as Bio Spira (I've had nothing but positive results with this brand) and fill the tank with salt water mixed to 1.020 and a temperature of 76 degrees.
Give the clowns a 90 minute bath in Ruby Reef Raly and then into the qt.
Heres a full thread on the subject

Brooklynella

Brooklynella hostilis What You Need To Know: * This is most often seen in clownfish, but it can afflict any fish. The fish’s skin will appear to be peeling or sloughing off, oftentimes causing excessive white mucous to form around the affected area(s). * Treatment of choice is a 45 minute...

www.reef2reef.com

Flippers4pups · Jan 23, 2020

Sorry guys, got a flat tire on the way home from work in the middle of a snow storm! Got to get a new tire mounted. Fun times for sure!

@Crabs McJones got this.