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Hey y'all. Warning, long post follows.

First off thanks to Dowdy for helping me get these pellets up and running. I've bombarded him with a thousand questions so I figured I'd save his Facebook inbox this time and take it to the forums instead.

I'm 23 days in to running pellets. I started with about 1/2 of the recommended dose. I only had 3 fish in the tank until yesterday so when the pellets kicked in they stripped the water out way too fast. I started feeding heavier to dirty up the water and keep the LPS happy. SPS all seem perfectly fine. Over the past couple of weeks I've been dealing with what appears to be an algae outbreak and I can't seem to get it going in the right direction. Obviously I raised my phosphates some by overfeeding. I'm well aware of that. I'm pretty sure that's what started this but today things got funky. Let's start with parameters:

Tank is about 4 months old, though I had some of the rock running for about 6 months total. I run a 4-bulb T5 using ATI bulbs that I bought new about 2 months ago. I've been running 2 bulbs for an hour, all 4 for 8 hours then 2 again for 2 hours. I've recently cut this down to kill all lights at 10 hours.

PH: 8.2
Temp: 79-80
Calcium: 440 (on last check, but my kit seems to have taken a crap on me)
Mag: 1500
Phosphate: 0.04
Nitrate: 0.25
KH: 9.8

I changed 10 gallons of water yesterday (50 gallons system total) using Red Sea (not coral pro) salt and RODI. I had been using Coral Pro but switched to the regular to lower KH below 9 (which apparently didn't work just yet...) Though I'm not running true ULNS, I don't want to take a risk of burning acros. Water is perfectly clear. Absolutely gorgeous. But I'm still having algae forming. Here are some pictures:

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The first picture shows the thick, dark brown algae that's on some of the rocks.

Second shot shows what my normal rock looks like, though that one is not directly under the T5s

Third shot is an area of my overflow that I can't reach to clean. It gives a good example of what's building up in the tank.

Fourth shot is that same algae on a piece of shelf rock.

Final shot shows a piece of that same "white" rock that you see in shot 2, but that one sits right under the T5s and up higher. You can also see more buildup on the shelf rock. You can also see an area on the back glass that I've not been able to reach for a couple of weeks. Note all the bubbles.

Parts of the rock are clean because I've been scrubbing them off every few days in hopes of getting this to skim away. Today I've noticed what appears to be dinos coming off of the frag rock that you see in the last picture. There are only 2 strands, but they're definitely long and stringy with an air bubble at the end like dinos.

I added 5 chromis yesterday to dirty up the water without having to overfeed. I also started dosing Microbe-Lift Special Blend a couple weeks back on Dowdy's suggestion. I did a first dose of 90 mL, then 2 subsequent doses of 60 mL each, according to the instructions.

So here's my question: Obviously there's an imbalance somewhere. Do I just need to wait this out? The brown color makes me think that this isn't cyano, but it also doesn't blow off like a diatom would. What kind of algae am I dealing with here? Could the whole thing be an outbreak of dinos?

Appreciate any thoughts or feedback.
 
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I think is just the normal brown algae that you get at the beginning just let the pellets do their thing and don't over feed unless you see that your sps start turning pale if everything is happy and colorful keep fearing normal and do not over do it
 
I hope you're right. I started overfeeding because my LPS were looking bad. SPS are fine though. Fortunately I can move any LPS to my nanocube if I have to.

Definitely interested in hearing more opinions.
 
If you're only 23 days into having the pellets online I doubt they're very active, and starting with half of the suggested amount was a little aggressive.

And if they're dinos you're in for a fight. Best thing to do is wait and be patient I had an outbreak similar to this and I tried to let it run it's course for a few months before I got aggressive and tried some other remedies.

Where do you get your source water from? How much flow do you have in the tank?
 
Yep. I definitely would have started at 1/4 the dose if I were doing it again. Source water is my own RODI. Filters are about 6 months old and reading 0 but I'm going to change them anyway. I have about 1200 GPH going through the tank. It's a 40 breeder.

So an update from today: What I thought were dinos last night are gone. No stringy stuff anywhere. The rocks don't really look any different, but otherwise things are looking really good. In my head I think that the rocks look better, but that might just be the work of the clean up crew.

I'm not making any changes for right now. Something about this feels like "sit and wait" is a better idea versus "do something stupid".
 
So far I've not done anything other than add the 5 chromis and cut my feeding a bit. I'm doing a few pellets once daily, then Reef Chili once per week. I'm not seeing any new algae form, but I think I'm going to have to manually scrub the rocks to get it to go away completely. Nitrates at 0.5 and phosphates at 0.04 right before the last water change so it seems like things the pellets are working but I'm not convinced that I've found the ideal dose just yet. I'm waiting that out.

I'm still having to clean the glass pretty often. Usually every 2 days or so. I'm not sure what this is but again I'm not really making any changes. I want the pellets to hit the 2 month mark before I make a decision about what to do next. Since I've stopped getting new brown slime I'm fine with having to clean the dusty stuff off the glass every couple of days.

LPS are still doing OK but not great. My duncan looks good but my frogspawn never really wants to open fully. Just enough to get some flow through the tentacles but that's all he'll do. Candy cane is fat, happy and splitting every few weeks. I'm still nursing my folded brain back to color after it bleached pretty bad a few months ago when I switched over to T5. Overall though the color on all LPS is good though so I'm just riding it out and hoping that fish poop works to feed them without me having to start feeding Reef Chili heavier.

SPS look pretty good. Great growth but the colors aren't really where I want them. They're definitely not bleaching but they're not vibrant like they should be. I'm not 100% sure what the story is here, but I think it's the same thing as the LPS where they're still a bit unhappy because of the cleaner water. But as long as they're growing I'm not going to change anything. I'll deal with color once I have the levels stable and happy. Best guess is that my overrated skimmer is stripping too much of the trace stuff out of the water. I'll probably start dosing Seachem Reef Trace once I have things stable.

If I had to venture a guess to what caused this, I'd say that my problem was doing 2 scoops of Reef Chili 3x weekly. Adding that much phytoplankton and zooplankton to the tank without enough fish and coral to eat it up created a lot of food for algae.
 
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Your n03 and p04 are at totally exceptable levels. I would actually say perfect.

I clean my glass everyday. Just an FYI

The overfeeding too early was probably the issue. The pellets can take up to 8 weeks to fully colonize and really begin doing the work. Hold off feeding the corals and just feed your fish well.
 
Thanks guys. I had read quite a bit about people not having to clean the glass quite so often, so that was a benchmark that I was trying to judge against. Interesting that you two are both doing daily cleanings. That said, how do you ever get coralline to grow on the back glass if you're scraping it every day? It drives me nuts to see the brown stuff against my pretty black paint job!

I'm seeing a very slight bacterial bloom now. Last night I thought that maybe my eyes were just dry and I couldn't tell because only half of the bulbs were on. But today there's definitely a slight cloudiness to the water. From my understanding this is normal as the pellets get into their cycle and probably even more so considering that I just added fish a few days ago. I don't have any plans to change anything as it's also my understanding that it should clear up in a few days.

Slow and steady. The tank looks freaking AMAZING today (minus the slight cloudiness of course) so I'm not touching a freaking thing.
 
I don't like coralline algae on my glass so that's not an issue for me. I'll do my back glass maybe once a week.

Stay the course.
 
I actually don't like it either, but I'd like it more than brown stuff. Suppose I'll just keep cleaning. Though it's going to be a different story when I trade in this 40 for a 150 tall. I'm not sure how I'll reach the bottom of the back glass lol
 
I actually don't like it either, but I'd like it more than brown stuff. Suppose I'll just keep cleaning. Though it's going to be a different story when I trade in this 40 for a 150 tall. I'm not sure how I'll reach the bottom of the back glass lol

I know how..... You won't. LOL. I had a 110 tall and I scraped the best I could around the rock work and the bottom three inches or so wouldn't get touched. And that tank was only 17" front to back not 24".
 
HAH! That's kinda what I was figuring. Oh well. To make matters worse, I'm probably setting this bad boy on a 36 inch stand. Stepladder maintenance anyone?
 
LOL!

And yep. My one regret on my 40 build is that I did the stand at 32 instead of 36. Granted that it's not nearly as deep so I might reconsider...
 

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