Blenny's belly bubbling and wriggling?

[starypotter]

Okay, well I went to LFS and they reccomended I do metro, I said that I'd also heard to do the metro/prazi and they said that couldn't hurt either. I have just added a dose of both as well as some epsom salts to my QT, the fish are swimming around a lot so I'm keeping a close watch to make sure that they're going to go back to normal once they settle down from the big introduction of meds. I'm also prepared to pull them out and dump them in a bucket if need be.

 

[Big G]

Okay, well I went to LFS and they reccomended I do metro, I said that I'd also heard to do the metro/prazi and they said that couldn't hurt either. I have just added a dose of both as well as some epsom salts to my QT, the fish are swimming around a lot so I'm keeping a close watch to make sure that they're going to go back to normal once they settle down from the big introduction of meds. I'm also prepared to pull them out and dump them in a bucket if need be.

Real important to use both metro & prazi. Some worms are resistant to metro, some to prazi, but not to both.

 

[starypotter]

Real important to use both metro & prazi. Some worms are resistant to metro, some to prazi, but not to both.

That makes me feel a lot better. I mixed everything in a glass cup with some tank and RODI water, and I don't know what combination it was but it started making the plastic of my syringe gummy? Both the expiration dates are in check and I triple checked online to make sure they could be mixed. Fish seem more active than usual but nothing too crazy.

 

[starypotter]

@Big G @Humblefish
Blenny is laying on the ground breathing heavily, mouth open. Thursday I dosed Prazi and Metro to the water, blenny has lost a lot of weight, wasn't interested in live brine, isn't interested in assorted frozen food, what can I do?

 

[Humblefish]

@Big G @Humblefish
Blenny is laying on the ground breathing heavily, mouth open. Thursday I dosed Prazi and Metro to the water, blenny has lost a lot of weight, wasn't interested in live brine, isn't interested in assorted frozen food, what can I do?

Are you sure there aren't any parasites (e.g. velvet) in play which are causing the heavy breathing?

 

[starypotter]

Are you sure there aren't any parasites (e.g. velvet) in play which are causing the heavy breathing?

I am not sure, Big G said earlier that the wiggling belly could likely be worms and since the fish had stopped eating it sounded like it made sense. The fish has been in QT with other fish and none of them have shown any signs of stress or illness which aided in the belief of worms. I do have Copper Power if you think that may help though, but I don't have any new water right now since I just had to use it on a change for this tank with the medication in it.

 

[cracker]

That's crazy Starry !
Sorry about the fish.

 

[Humblefish]

I am not sure, Big G said earlier that the wiggling belly could likely be worms and since the fish had stopped eating it sounded like it made sense. The fish has been in QT with other fish and none of them have shown any signs of stress or illness which aided in the belief of worms. I do have Copper Power if you think that may help though, but I don't have any new water right now since I just had to use it on a change for this tank with the medication in it.

I would try a 5 min FW dip to provide temporary relief for the heavy breathing: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/freshwater-dip.248898/

 

[starypotter]

I would try a 5 min FW dip to provide temporary relief for the heavy breathing: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/freshwater-dip.248898/

Okay thank you, is there anything else I should try after that like other methods of treatment I should be doing?

 

[starypotter]

I would try a 5 min FW dip to provide temporary relief for the heavy breathing: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/freshwater-dip.248898/

No signs of change at all, made it through the full five minutes but I know more needs to be done. I have a paper from LFS saying one spoon of Metro in 2.5 gallons of water for an hour. Would that help at this point? Fish is very thin and was leaning on it's side in the tank. I think it's weight wasn't being seen clearly because of whatever bulging is in the belly like in the first post.

 

[Humblefish]

@starypotter Did you see anything drop off (e.g. white sesame seed looking things) during the FW dip?

 

[starypotter]

@starypotter Did you see anything drop off (e.g. white sesame seed looking things) during the FW dip?

Not a thing fell off. I put the fish back in the QT and it's doing much worse now we don't think it'll make it through the night.

 

[wesman42]

Not a thing fell off. I put the fish back in the QT and it's doing much worse now we don't think it'll make it through the night.

Did you soak it's food in general cure with focus (metro+prazi) or just dose into the tank? I'd be hard pressed if dosing into the water column would take care of internal anything.

 

[starypotter]

Did you soak it's food in general cure with focus (metro+prazi) or just dose into the tank? I'd be hard pressed if dosing into the water column would take care of internal anything.

No, this is what I did

I am not sure, Big G said earlier that the wiggling belly could likely be worms and since the fish had stopped eating it sounded like it made sense. The fish has been in QT with other fish and none of them have shown any signs of stress or illness which aided in the belief of worms. I do have Copper Power if you think that may help though, but I don't have any new water right now since I just had to use it on a change for this tank with the medication in it.

And he wouldn't eat anything, that was the start of my problems a few days before this so I couldn't exactly get him to eat medicine. Since he would not eat it was recommended to dose the water.

 

[starypotter]

The fish died overnight. What do I do to help prevent the others from getting this problem? I dosed metro and prazi to the water on Thursday, today being Sunday, does something more need to be done? These fish will all eat still, should I be feeding them food with a medication in it?

 

[Oldsalt01]

Sorry for the loss. As we have no way to know what the issue was, there’s no yes or no answer to your question. As you’ve dosed the tank my recommendation would be wait and see, that’s JMHO. I’m sure others will have other opinions. I tend to be on the conservative side for medication, preferring to observe before tx. If ur running carbon in the QT it will pull the meds out to sub-therapeutic levels.

 

[starypotter]

Sorry for the loss. As we have no way to know what the issue was, there’s no yes or no answer to your question. As you’ve dosed the tank my recommendation would be wait and see, that’s JMHO. I’m sure others will have other opinions. I tend to be on the conservative side for medication, preferring to observe before tx. If ur running carbon in the QT it will pull the meds out to sub-therapeutic levels.

Thanks, no carbon, just filter floss. None of the fish have experienced any eating problems recently. I'll probably finish up whatever treatment I'm doing at this moment, it's already in there I wouldn't want to cut it short on the chance that they may have something but just be handling it a bit better. They've all been together a while and came from the same system so I don't think it's too unreasonable to believe that they might have a touch of something too, but with that said I don't exactly know how that works if they're able to have just a minor problem with it.

When I first got one of them at the same time as this fish it was emaciated, several others from that shipment were like that too but you couldn't tell unless you looked at them from above. The one I had did gain weight though, and since it was a tiny clown goby I think it could have easily just been stress and not eating for a few days to get to that point.

 

[starypotter]

So I'm looking for advice on where to go from here in terms of treatment. I figure it's probably best to let this medication finish? But I only added metro the once, do I need to keep adding it since I'm not exactly seeing anything?

Real important to use both metro & prazi. Some worms are resistant to metro, some to prazi, but not to both.

So should this mean that I need to continue the treatment? And if so what do I change for how long? Is it the same as copper where if the level dips you need to start over because I dosed the tank before I did a top off the next day so might that contribute?

I'm realizing that I have now had some of my fish in QT for 15 week, some for 13.5 weeks, and some for 7 weeks. I know that each time I got a new fish I restarted the clock, so the overall clock is still 7 weeks, but with that said I see a lot of people say that they generally observe for 4 weeks so I'm wondering where this would leave me. The fish I've had for 15 weeks, my first fish, are happy healthy weirdo clowns with no signs of anything. I have had to dip two different fish in FW so far for suspected problems, one being the fish from this thread, one being that first fish clocking in at 15 weeks because it has a bit of a torn gill and flukes were at one point a suspect. Neither dip produced any sort of a change, nothing fell off etc.

So the question is would I have seen something by now? Is the presence of whatever worms that got my blenny enough to warrant a full spectrum 'just in case' treatment? My midas blenny has pooped stringy before but it's not white and is essentially the color of the flakes I'd been feeding. I was even able to nurse a clown goby back to health when it was emaciated so does that factor into anything? If velvet was present would it have done something by now? Would I be seeing any behavioral symptoms? I don't want to lose any more fish I feel terrible that I wasn't quick enough about catching this one not eating so I don't want to miss anything else.

 

[Big G]

The water dosing of prazi and metro combination like in General Cure, is two total doses. Dose. Wait 5-7 days. Then do a 25% water change. Dose again. Wait 5-7 days. Then do a 25% water change. Then observe for 7-10 days for either fluke symptoms or white stringy poop from internal parasites. Medications are very slow to act on fish. If symptoms remain or recur, a second round may be necessary.