Blue clove invasion

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I have been fighting a very aggressive invader that most people seem to be referring to blue clove polyps. It is very similar to the few images of Sansibia or Sarcothelia that I"ve found.

So far, the only cure I've come across is Fluke Tabs which were banned in the US some time ago. It also kill leathers, other cloves and star polyps and seems to be reported to linger in rocks that are treated outside the tank. Well, I have a couple large Nephthea colonies and 2 types of tricolor cloves that need to be preserved. The nephthea is on a 30# rock that is not removable.

I've tried fw dips on the zoa colonies which are fairly tolerant of the salinity change and it works great - they just peel off the rock in a web in FW, but I need a way to get them out of the cloves and a few others and they don't like salinity change. 10% peroxide in 90% tank water seems to knock them back for a week or so. Same with toothbrush scrubbing. But then they are back... What grows on the bare glass is easy to scrape off, but areas with coraline algae just let it fester. The coralline is on the bottom is firmly established and doesn't come off with a scraper.

My tank is a 180 BB peninsula and fortunately, they keep to the bottom. Unfortunately, that's where a lot of my LPS, zoas and cloves are and the blue cloves are very aggressive towards the colonies they invade. LPS especially are irritated by them and start to retract rapidly. Polyps are only about 1/8" and so are tough to see. I debated about putting some sugar sand on the bottom to try to isolate it, but the web/mat spreads through the existing areas where there is sand to cushion rocks. As of now, every single frag, colony and pebble on the bottom of the tank has or had them growing on them. I am moving in a month or 2 and I'd rather not take them with me!

Anyone have success eliminating these buggers?
 

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Have you tried raising the mg to around 1500? I swear blue cloves hate high mg. I have mine at 1500 and they don't die but don't grow at all. Just stay put and never spread.
 
My tank is ate up with them. I feel your pain. I'll tag along and maybe we can come up with something.
 
Have you tried dipping in hyd. peroxide? IIRC, I dipped some zoas in a H.perox mix(approx 2:1 saltwater to HP)that had some blue cloves on them to get rid of algae and I believe it also got rid of the cloves.
 
I was lucky to have some fluke tabs donated to me. I used one tab for 1 gallon of saltwater in a pitcher. I then took all my zoanthid colonies and put them in a container and I topped the container off with the solution for 30 minutes. I haven't seen a clove polyp on them even though they are surrounded by them. The cloves around them died as well.
 
"Have you tried dipping in hyd. peroxide? IIRC, I dipped some zoas in a H.perox mix(approx 2:1 saltwater to HP)that had some blue cloves on them to get rid of algae and I believe it also got rid of the cloves."
- yes. 10% in tank water for 10-60 min, depending on species

FF337 - do you have any softies - leathers or nice cloves? Can't risk the Nephthea or tricolor cloves.
 
"Have you tried dipping in hyd. peroxide? IIRC, I dipped some zoas in a H.perox mix(approx 2:1 saltwater to HP)that had some blue cloves on them to get rid of algae and I believe it also got rid of the cloves."
- yes. 10% in tank water for 10-60 min, depending on species

FF337 - do you have any softies - leathers or nice cloves? Can't risk the Nephthea or tricolor cloves.

Try removing some of the rocks and experiment a bit. Try straight H.P. on a rock with only the cloves on it. I have never used as little as 10% so I can't comment on what kind of success could be had with it.
 
Dougers - I know that high doses of peroxide will kill it at certain doses/treatment times but I don't have concrete data due to the number of species being treated - too many variables. I started this procedure after noting that xeniids are sensitive to peroxide. Cloves are xeniids so I have to be careful in treating the tricolors since what affects one may affect its cousin. Some of those doses affect other corals on the treated pieces. Anything without live coral with the polyps gets tossed into the recycle bin. I seem to be able to get the fringe of an affected disc/rock/frag but the edges of a coral have to be dealt with more delicately, which tends to leave a bit of the "anthellia" next to the coral that it affecting which in turn does nothing for the affected coral. Fortunately, my affliction hasn't reached the 3 main structures. They are too shaded at the base for the polyps to grow onto them.

When I move in a month or so, I'll be able to treat the bottom of the tank with peroxide or or even harsher. The aquarium is 15+ yo, so the invader is harboring in the separated edges of silicone, coralline algae, rubble....
 

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