Bolus dosing

[Carni_Vora]

Try it. Write results down. Bring data. Discuss it and come to a conclusion.

"This will not work because"
"This is false advertising"
"It's a cult with followers"

Get a grip here, seriously. It's Fauna Marin not UWC. Criticizing Bolus based on a two day old YouTube video is nothing that is necessary. If you dislike FM for whatever reason, fair enough but not like this.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

I’m more than happy to have a discussion on the pros and cons of once a day dosing, independent of any FM claims.

So to facilitate such a discussion, these things seem pertinent;

1. What exactly is changed in terms of the tank creatures in once a day vs some other timing of doses, everything else unchanged (same exact products used, but just the timing change).

2. Any hypothesis on why once a day dosing is “better”.

3. What happens if the tank is dosed to hold alk steady at the peak alk attained after dosing, rather than at some lower level?

4. What happens if the tank is dosed to hold alk steady at the minimum alk attained before dosing, rather than at some higher level?

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Try it. Write results down. Bring data. Discuss it and come to a conclusion.

"This will not work because"
"This is false advertising"
"It's a cult with followers"

Get a grip here, seriously. It's Fauna Marin not UWC. Criticizing Bolus based on a two day old YouTube video is nothing that is necessary. If you dislike FM for whatever reason, fair enough but not like this.

I don’t dislike FM. I dislike obviously false claims. You don’t get it and maybe don’t care. I do.

Did Vibrant work? Yes. Did it work for the reason that was falsely advertised? No.
That was a very serious violation of trust.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Try it. Write results down. Bring data. Discuss it and come to a conclusion.

"This will not work because"
"This is false advertising"
"It's a cult with followers"

Get a grip here, seriously. It's Fauna Marin not UWC. Criticizing Bolus based on a two day old YouTube video is nothing that is necessary. If you dislike FM for whatever reason, fair enough but not like this.

How about you tell us exactly what you did and what you observed?

 

[Carni_Vora]

I don’t dislike FM. I dislike obviously false claims. You don’t get it and maybe don’t care. I do.

Did Vibrant work? Yes. Did it work for the reason that was falsely advertised? No.
That was a very serious violation of trust

How about you tell us exactly what you did and what you observed?

No, same as you I didn't, and in case I will I will make sure to let you all know.

My point is this entire discussion here is based on a YouTube video and full of criticism. If it's productive cristisim, fair.

So what's in the infamous video?

A guy, who is reefing since over 35 years is saying that he had better growth with dosing Alk once a day. And that's it.

All he says in relation to FM products is that it works great with them.

He never claims KH will be stable during the day or whatever. He is giving his perspective on why it's better and that's all.

 

[Garf]

Try it. Write results down. Bring data. Discuss it and come to a conclusion.

"This will not work because"
"This is false advertising"
"It's a cult with followers"

Get a grip here, seriously. It's Fauna Marin not UWC. Criticizing Bolus based on a two day old YouTube video is nothing that is necessary. If you dislike FM for whatever reason, fair enough but not like this.

Did you increase the light to the tank, as described in the method? If so, I'm struggling to see how anything changed to the alkalinity addition timing can directly be attributed to benefits without further support.

 

[Carni_Vora]

Did you increase the light to the tank, as described in the method? If so, I'm struggling to see how anything changed to the alkalinity addition timing can directly be attributed to benefits without further support.

I didn't try it as I said later. He also said in the video if you cant/don't want to increase light, it is OK as well.

 

[DutchReefer420]

Maybe it’s a translation issue, but you literally wrote that alk is stable for 24 h after dosing. Hence I do not see when it ever drops.

When I dose my full comsumption it will not drop indeed

When you match your consumption with how much you dose DKH will not drop

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

No, same as you I didn't, and in case I will I will make sure to let you all know.

My point is this entire discussion here is based on a YouTube video and full of criticism. If it's productive cristisim, fair.

So what's in the infamous video?

A guy, who is reefing since over 35 years is saying that he had better growth with dosing Alk once a day. And that's it.

All he says in relation to FM products is that it works great with them.

He never claims KH will be stable during the day or whatever. He is giving his perspective on why it's better and that's all.

My criticism is not based on video, as I very clearly state. It is based on multiple false claims in an FM document that I posted a link to.

I made zero claims about what once a day dosing accomplishes compared to other timing.

My assertions relate to the false claims. No one has (or can) refute any of them. Please do if you can.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

When I dose my full comsumption it will not drop indeed

When you match your consumption with how much you dose DKH will not drop

Still something getting lost in understanding.

You dose alk (how much) and then 60 min later alk is 7.5 dKH.

Then another 24 h later the alk is still 7.5 dKH.

Presumably you do not need to dose anything at that point?

It’s very confusing when alk actually depletes in your tank (if ever).

 

[Garf]

When I dose my full comsumption it will not drop indeed

Do you mean that you add a certain amount every day, and this amount never needs to be increased?

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

I didn't try it as I said later. He also said in the video if you cant/don't want to increase light, it is OK as well.

Can anyone explain in detail (experimental or even just theory) the data rationale suggesting timing is important?

 

[KStatefan]

Try it. Write results down. Bring data. Discuss it and come to a conclusion.

"This will not work because"
"This is false advertising"
"It's a cult with followers"

Get a grip here, seriously. It's Fauna Marin not UWC. Criticizing Bolus based on a two day old YouTube video is nothing that is necessary. If you dislike FM for whatever reason, fair enough but not like this.

Disliking the statements is not the same as disliking the company or the person.

There are examples of many companies with false statements the size of the company does not change that.

 

[DutchReefer420]

Do you mean that you add a certain amount every day, and this amount never needs to be increased?

do you think comsumption is never going up??

when consumption is going up ofcourse you need to dose more according to your consumption!!

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

do you think comsumption is never going up??

when consumption is going up ofcourse you need to dose more according to your consumption!!

The problem is the literal interpretation of what you are writing is that alk is never consumed in your aquarium.

We are trying to understand what exactly you are saying without much success.

 

[DutchReefer420]

The problem is the literal interpretation of what you are writing is that alk is never consumed in your aquarium.

We are trying to understand what exactly you are saying without much success.

well i think we have found the problem...

i never stated that my alk is NEVER consumed

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

well i think we have found the problem...

i never stated that my alk is NEVER consumed

OK, let's start again.

How much alk do you dose once each day, and when does it decline after dosing?

 

[Garf]

I want someone to show up that sais they have dosed 3 DKH a day, just one dose, successfully and deliberately.

 

[Florian_W]

@DutchReefer420
Do you have a computer or something to follow your kh graph over 24h?
I would find it highly interesting to see how what number moves when dosing once a day!

 

[KStatefan]

Can someone explain what the chemical phenomenon is?

"The Bolus method creates a chemical phenomenon where the amount of alkalinity measured on a
test kit will be misleading in the first hours of the bolus dose."