Book Recommendations (Reefing)

I don't believe that it is true at all. Most of the methods in those books are much more natural where bacteria and nature take over and do not rely or use much media, chemicals, reactors or the like. Most of the modern techniques put the hobbyist in charge and are mostly to sell products and pseudoscience from a manufacturer or retailer and most do not work as well as the truly natural methods. There are so many ideas and thoughts now that take a small section of "natural" reef keeping for just one specific species and try to apply them to all for a profit.

In any case, most reefers do not understand anymore that sand has no chance of being a "nitrate factory," or that aragonite can bind phosphate and hide poor maintenance routine (for a while), or that having higher levels of N and P do not do anything helpful to the corals, or that using media or chemicals during the cycle can slow down the back end many time over. These twenty year old books could help a lot of people understand a lot of these things.

If you look at the vast majority of the exceptional tanks in the world that have been thriving for 5+ years where corals need pruned like rose bushes, they are mostly live rock, sand, skimmers, lots of high quality light and heavy feeding with low, but detectable N and P levels... basically what is in every one of these books. You can certainly do it other ways, but not all paths that get you to the finish line will work for everybody... most people can take the walking path, but only a few can swing from vines like Tarzan, but everybody wants to be like Tarzan when they have no ability. I think that more people would have an easier time if they read some of these books and took the walking path rather than trying to be the exception.
 
I don't believe that it is true at all. Most of the methods in those books are much more natural where bacteria and nature take over and do not rely or use much media, chemicals, reactors or the like. Most of the modern techniques put the hobbyist in charge and are mostly to sell products and pseudoscience from a manufacturer or retailer and most do not work as well as the truly natural methods. There are so many ideas and thoughts now that take a small section of "natural" reef keeping for just one specific species and try to apply them to all for a profit.

In any case, most reefers do not understand anymore that sand has no chance of being a "nitrate factory," or that aragonite can bind phosphate and hide poor maintenance routine (for a while), or that having higher levels of N and P do not do anything helpful to the corals, or that using media or chemicals during the cycle can slow down the back end many time over. These twenty year old books could help a lot of people understand a lot of these things.

If you look at the vast majority of the exceptional tanks in the world that have been thriving for 5+ years where corals need pruned like rose bushes, they are mostly live rock, sand, skimmers, lots of high quality light and heavy feeding with low, but detectable N and P levels... basically what is in every one of these books. You can certainly do it other ways, but not all paths that get you to the finish line will work for everybody... most people can take the walking path, but only a few can swing from vines like Tarzan, but everybody wants to be like Tarzan when they have no ability. I think that more people would have an easier time if they read some of these books and took the walking path rather than trying to be the exception.

I never said u were wrong man I have read probably over 200 books about marine ecosystems, saltwater aquariums, marine biology, and so on but you’re truly right dude it’s just we don’t need to comment back with correct me if I’m wrong but what sounds like snarky replies. And you’re right people don’t understand what u and me have read and learned and you are doing right by trying to inform but just make it in a more neutral or positive tone man
 
I don't believe that it is true at all. Most of the methods in those books are much more natural where bacteria and nature take over and do not rely or use much media, chemicals, reactors or the like. Most of the modern techniques put the hobbyist in charge and are mostly to sell products and pseudoscience from a manufacturer or retailer and most do not work as well as the truly natural methods. There are so many ideas and thoughts now that take a small section of "natural" reef keeping for just one specific species and try to apply them to all for a profit.

In any case, most reefers do not understand anymore that sand has no chance of being a "nitrate factory," or that aragonite can bind phosphate and hide poor maintenance routine (for a while), or that having higher levels of N and P do not do anything helpful to the corals, or that using media or chemicals during the cycle can slow down the back end many time over. These twenty year old books could help a lot of people understand a lot of these things.

If you look at the vast majority of the exceptional tanks in the world that have been thriving for 5+ years where corals need pruned like rose bushes, they are mostly live rock, sand, skimmers, lots of high quality light and heavy feeding with low, but detectable N and P levels... basically what is in every one of these books. You can certainly do it other ways, but not all paths that get you to the finish line will work for everybody... most people can take the walking path, but only a few can swing from vines like Tarzan, but everybody wants to be like Tarzan when they have no ability. I think that more people would have an easier time if they read some of these books and took the walking path rather than trying to be the exception.


Agreed.

I think the big difference is back then we relied more on actual biology and now people rely more on technology.
I mean biology was so important and still is or should be.
More people just want to dump stuff in their tanks instead of solving a issue with biology now. One of the reason the turn over rate in the hobby is so high now.
People do not learn anything relying on technology. Now they freak out over a little cyano. Tanks now are getting more unnatural with so many little tiny frags.
 
I tell people all the time that I will take a modified Berlin (3 inch sand instead of 5-6 inches) with only a skimmer, CaRx and MH and I will crush any "modern" tank setup with limitless reactors, media, controllers, etc. I will even use the bio balls. :) The ones who do not laugh at me are the ones that I end up trading frags with and trade "babysitting" when we go out of town. :) This is basically how I run my tank anyway.

Does it make anybody else a bit sad when they see the "$5k invested and my tank sucks" threads?

Jake - I am just disagreeing that modern techniques are more natural. At best, they are exactly the same and at worst they put too much emphasis on the hobbyist and tech and not enough on nature... and nature is better at it's job. I don't intend any snark... I will just be direct when I think that something is dumb. :)
 
I tell people all the time that I will take a modified Berlin (3 inch sand instead of 5-6 inches) with only a skimmer, CaRx and MH and I will crush any "modern" tank setup with limitless reactors, media, controllers, etc. I will even use the bio balls. :) The ones who do not laugh at me are the ones that I end up trading frags with and trade "babysitting" when we go out of town. :) This is basically how I run my tank anyway.

Does it make anybody else a bit sad when they see the "$5k invested and my tank sucks" threads?

Jake - I am just disagreeing that modern techniques are more natural. At best, they are exactly the same and at worst they put too much emphasis on the hobbyist and tech and not enough on nature... and nature is better at it's job. I don't intend any snark... I will just be direct when I think that something is dumb. :)

I understand and I do think those threads are sad u know how much money I put in my 55gal and 13.5 gal in total? Only about $600 in total! I don’t rely on technology(besides this app ofc) but I do think it can help the dumb people a little bit more maybe... but there are benefits to technology look at this app for instance it’s amazing how much more information you can gain and help get ID on different fish and corals and the help to find books and the help on different types of rock structure, filtration, fish/coral selection for stocking your tank as recommendation from others it’s truly amazing how one little app can bring together all these people with one commonality... Aquariums! Our true undying love for the marine ecosystem and how much we care for it it’s little things like this that can make big differences in the world just some food for thought
 
Wow, this thread really took a wrong turn somewhere....... @salty lemon was just asking for some books :)

Well think of it this way we did help him by letting him note that older books are just as good as any therefore he still can learn more about aquariums lol
 
The reason that there are no new books is that people don’t read any more.
Reading is hard everyone wants fast answers. Everyone wants a chemical or device to fix their tanks biology that is out of balance. Which only can be fixed with time and patience.
 
The reason that there are no new books is that people don’t read any more.
Reading is hard everyone wants fast answers. Everyone wants a chemical or device to fix their tanks biology that is out of balance. Which only can be fixed with time and patience.

That’s the perfect answer people are too lazy to read bc they aren’t truly interested in the biology behind our hobby
 
Im reading The Reef Aquarium, Vol. 3: Science, Art, and Technology by Sprung and Delbek. Yea its 14 years old but im still learning a ton. Lots of fundamentals.
 
I've read the "101 Best (Saltwater fishes/Marine invertebrates/Nano-reef species)" cover to cover a few times over and thats given me a decent baseline of the different species, their tendencies and tank requirements. I also like "Lionfishes and Other Scorpionfishes" but that ones pretty specific. Have you considered looking into other kinds of publications? CORAL, Practical fish keeping, Tropical Fish Hobbyist and I believe there is one more that I can't think of right now... All are good magazines that I learned a lot from!

Knowledge is knowledge. You could read the first encyclopedia ever made and you would still know more than you did before you read it. Science and technology have been advancing so quickly lately that books can't really keep up, magazines are able to keep up with it much better but both are still very relevant because knowledge is cumulative. Even if you learn something that's dated eventually you'll learn why it has evolved from what you first read and thats equally important. Questioning what we know is how all things improve and if everything was up to date I think we would be asking less questions. Innovation and discovery can almost always be traced back to either an accident or (much more often) somebody asking a question.
 

IF YOU HAD TO TAKE A REEFING EXAM, WOULD YOU PASS?

  • Yes!

    Votes: 32 45.7%
  • Not yet, but I have one that I want to buy in mind!

    Votes: 9 12.9%
  • No.

    Votes: 26 37.1%
  • Other (please explain).

    Votes: 3 4.3%
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